Help - I search AH knife steak Adolf Hitler

[a.h.]

I'm looking for this Steak knife Adolf Hitler formal pattern( like the one in the picture)IMG_0699.jpg, if someone wants to sell it at a good price please contact me.
Thanks.


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[a.h.]

Fyi


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[Berghof]

a.h. - the pictures didn't post. I pm'd you my email if you need me to post them for you.

Mike

[a.h.]

a.h. - the pictures didn't post. I pm'd you my email if you need me to post them for you.



Mike

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[Br. James]

This is quite an unusual blade...I don't believe I've ever seen an AH Formal Pattern knife with this kind of a blade.

Br. James

[a.h.]

This is quite an unusual blade...I don't believe I've ever seen an AH Formal Pattern knife with this kind of a blade.



Br. James

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[a.h.]

I saw this pattern of knife AH in the book of D.Griffith.
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[Berghof]

How strange...I must have come in on a different server and it doesn't show the image. Now I see it.

This is actually a fruit/tomato knife. In no way are these steak knives, it would shred the steak rather than making a nice clean cut, frustrating the guest using it. The serrated edge is actually very dull. I recently had a couple of these.

I started an online catalog and documented the pieces that I've come across thus far.

Here's the link.

https://www.ww2treasures.com/1869-2/

[Br. James]

Thanks for the reminder, a.h.: Dr. Griffith did consider this knife to be a steak knife, per his "Revised" edition. I also see what you mean, Mike, regarding modern-day cutlery, though the top edge of this knife does not match up with any fruit or tomato knife I could find online.

I have always wondered whether either the AH Formal or Informal service included anything we would identify today as a "steak knife?" Other than the one pictured in the Griffith book, are there any others in collections?

Br. James

[Berghof]

Hello Br. James! I did exhaustive research when I first obtained the knives years ago. I found a source that carries nothing but antique silverware (antique cupboard) and submitted photos. They identified it as a fruit/tomato knife and provided several photos of similar period style knives to me. I figured it was not design you can find today so I sought out someone who specializes in pieces from the period.


Here's a closeup of a tomato knife. The tooth design is identical to the AH formal pieces. It's not sharp. I could run my fingers across the edge without cutting myself.

Regards,
Mike

[Berghof]

Here's a closeup of the AH knife. The curved backside of the knife has a flat/dull edge, I believe to be decorative only. Definitely not for cutting meat, perfect for cutting through an orange/grapefruit rind.

[Br. James]

Thanks so much for sharing your research, Mike -- very helpful indeed. I also found some reference to a "tomato knife" online, though none with the wavy back of the blade like this AH Formal piece.

Do you have any info or thoughts about my other question: Was a "steak knife" of any description part of either the AH Formal (State) or Informal table service? I haven't seen anything that resembled what we would call a steak knife today, but you have done much more research than I have!

Thanks again, my friend,

Br. James

[Berghof]

That's a good question Br. James. The formal lunch and dinner knives are sharp enough to slice through meat with no trouble. I think steak knives were more of a modern made implement. Going on that hunch, I researched the evolution of steak knives and came up with the following.

"But what might be surprising to an observer is that steak knives, at least in terms of how we consider them in the modern day, aren't old innovations with centuries of history. In fact, the modern steak knife didn't truly make itself known until after World War II.

A device of simple design and surprising sharpness, the turning point for the steak knife came in the form of a reconstituted letter opener. That letter opener, designed by a Maryland machinist named Paul C. Culver in 1946, was originally a gift for businessman Charles D. Briddell Jr."

I found this on the popular mechanics website - https://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...-steak-knives/

Also, try looking for an Antique Bruckmann Silver Steak Knife of the period, you won't find one...or at least one that looks like the modern design.

[a.h.]

I showed a friend who works in a large restaurant, he tells me that he thinks it's a soft cheese knife.
as you can see on the furnishing order of the Eagle’s nest 4 knife ( kasemesser) were present.
can it be correct? I look for some pictures of cheese knife.


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[Berghof]

Here's AH's formal cheese knife. Some confuse this as a butter knife. The butter knife is similar, but has a rounded end rather than the point seen in this example.