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[Erich B.]

I haven't had much free time to try to find the source. I know I didn't think it up myself but I haven't been able to find it with the little amount of searching I've been able to do. Not yet, anyway!
Erich

[wilhelm Saris]

I haven't had much free time to try to find the source. I know I didn't think it up myself but I haven't been able to find it with the little amount of searching I've been able to do. Not yet, anyway! Erich

I asked about it, as I am not convinced it is the same color blue.
I would like to know so I can check the color from the Amann color-list.

[laurens]

I asked about it, as I am not convinced it is the same color blue.
I would like to know so I can check the color from the Amann color-list.

I'm sure you'll get your answers when Easter and Pentecost fall on one day!

[wilhelm Saris]

I'm sure you'll get your answers when Easter and Pentecost fall on one day!

Maybe, I guess so!

Laurens you mention the introduction for the blue with the date december 20, 1936 instead of the "V".
Was this ever noted in the Vbl.OSAF? Or was it - as so often - noted in correspondence. (Thanks for the PM).

I guess - and I am practically sure about that - the various colors blue are a worlds apart!

[laurens]

Maybe, I guess so!

Laurens you mention the introduction for the blue with the date december 20, 1936 instead of the "V".
Was this ever noted in the Vbl.OSAF? Or was it - as so often - noted in correspondence. (Thanks for the PM).

I guess - and I am practically sure about that - the various colors blue are a worlds apart!

Hi Wim,
Yes is was mentioned in the VB. Not December, but July. I made a mistake.

[wilhelm Saris]

Hi Wim,
Yes is was mentioned in the VB. Not December, but July. I made a mistake.

I did a check and it is indeed July and the announcement mentions the color for the Amann-chart. Totally different as the color for Ortsgruppen.
So, the light-blue with the shown shabby collar-patches is not the color for Verwaltung, whatever others have said here!

It is severely needed another book about SA colors and collar-patches is being written, which includes also "hints" to specific patches of special
formations and indications. I could write one (within about six months or so), but my writing intentions are brought back to almost zero. Besides
that I do not have enough and sufficient photographic material!
The Fuller-book is superseded for years and years! As is the information from Halcomb and Angolia or whatever booklet, published post-war!
They all have heard something about it, but do have no real knowledge of the matter...…………..

[wilhelm Saris]

For the few really interested:
the Ortsgruppen-blue (hellblau) was the same color as for the lanyard (Pfeiffenschnur) for the SA-districts Hochland and Bayerische Ostmark: Amann 1342.

The blue for the SA-Verwaltung with the July 1936 order was Amann 816.
This is a difference of worlds apart, like night and day! I would say, compare it with the existing colors within the NSDAP political section:
Ortsgruppen and Parteigericht. This is more close

To give a sample about light-blue: as mentioned above Ortsgruppen is 1342, but for the Flieger-HJ it was 1341. And so sometimes the colors are a like,
as a difference in color for 10% was allowed according to RZM specifications. But this does not work for Ortsgruppen and SA-Verwaltung.

[echoe]

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a couple of variations in verwaltungs piping. my reference material is stacked away in my closets. wim surely has everything in order.

[echoe]

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"It is severely needed another book about SA colors and collar-patches is being written"

agreed. you and laurens are the best to write it.

[wilhelm Saris]

you and laurens are the best to write it.

I thought some from the US were planning this (you, Erich etc.). If I am correct I did supply you with numerous information about this subject.
But planning and writing a book is the same differences as with the blue, which is obvious from what you showed here!
As noted before about me: my writing intentions are brought back to almost zero!!

[wilhelm Saris]

For the few really interested:
the Ortsgruppen-blue (hellblau) was the same color as for the lanyard (Pfeiffenschnur) for the SA-districts Hochland and Bayerische Ostmark: Amann 1342.

The blue for the SA-Verwaltung with the July 1936 order was Amann 816.
This is a difference of worlds apart, like night and day! I would say, compare it with the existing colors within the NSDAP political section:
Ortsgruppen and Parteigericht. This is more close

To give a sample about light-blue: as mentioned above Ortsgruppen is 1342, but for the Flieger-HJ it was 1341. And so sometimes the colors are a like,
as a difference in color for 10% was allowed according to RZM specifications. But this does not work for Ortsgruppen and SA-Verwaltung.

Additional information to the use of the blue piping, related to the above order
(Vbl.d.OSAF, nr. 11 from July 20, 1938, number 205 in relation to the order F. Nr. 13731)
it should be mentioned that with order FO Nr. 13 708 from October 9, 1941 the use of the
blue piping was forbidden and had to be removed immediately.

[Erich B.]

I haven't found whatever reference I thought I had seen it in, but you reminded me that, at the time, I checked the Amann color number codes (I don't have a color chart so could only compare the numbers) and noted that they were not the same. I had forgotten that. Without the actual chart, I couldn't compare the actual shades of blue so I couldn't tell whether or not they were similar but, as you noted, the numbers were different. So, I apologize for my faulty memory! As Echoe has shown the actual color is a much deeper blue than the Ortsgruppen used--it's closer to the Party Court piping color.
Erich

[wilhelm Saris]

I haven't found whatever reference I thought I had seen it in, but you reminded me that, at the time, I checked the Amann color number codes (I don't have a color chart so could only compare the numbers) and noted that they were not the same. I had forgotten that. Without the actual chart, I couldn't compare the actual shades of blue so I couldn't tell whether or not they were similar but, as you noted, the numbers were different. So, I apologize for my faulty memory! As Echoe has shown the actual color is a much deeper blue than the Ortsgruppen used--it's closer to the Party Court piping color.
Erich

see post 22 where I mention Party Court in relation to the blue.

[Erich B.]

Yes, that's right. I used to have a Party Court brownshirt and the darker blue is definitely distinctive.
Erich

[U571]

Please, do you have informations about the blue color?
Best.
U571.