Originally posted by Erich B.
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The different R's are shown in the Mitteilungsblatt der RZM with drawings and explanation. I think the 1 with dots means a Roman II. -
First, Thank you very much for you research Erich, Ivbaust and Mr Saris. Very interesting material. This is one of the reasons this hobby is fun. I was going to ask the same question about the hash marks over the numbers. Here are better pictures. Maybe someone can now read what is written beside Köln. Again, Thanks for your time and effort.
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Thanks for the better photos of the handwriting on the inside of the kepi.
I can clearly see „Köln - Dell...“
So it should be „Köln - Dellbrück“, which is a small city part of Cologne
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Districts_of_CologneComment
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It looks like the '1' in '16' also has a dot above it.Originally posted by wilhelm Saris View Post
ErichFestina lente!Comment
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Hey Erich, I got one last question before we end the thread. What time period do you think this cap is. Twill top and no RZM tag. Pre -RZM?
Thanks,
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I don't think it's pre-RZM -- I've been trying to find exactly when the labels began to be required. I can't find any mention about labels in the 1931-32 references, although I have only a smattering of files from those years. By 1933 the labels were specified but I don't have data noting when they came into use.
If this kepi was originally an all SA tan version, it would have to date from pre July 1933 or so. If it was produced and sold in this form with colored twill top, it would have to date from post July 1933. My guess, based on its form and manufacturing methods, would be 1932-33. It may have had an RZM label when it was new.
ErichFestina lente!Comment
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Before August 1933 it was not even needed to have a permission from the RZM to manufacturer headgear. From this moment on one had then to have a permission to manufacturer according new arrangements.
At that moment there was not yet a need to have tags or labels inside. The re-organization for the new RZM was a fact not earlier then April 1, 1933.
The shown kepi anyway is a product, made in about 1935 or so. The reason is that in the early years the colord cap band was delivered loose (grundsätzlich ohne farbiges Mützenband). About this there was
for example a note in the Mitteilungsblatt der RZM from June 1934. It was noted shortly thereafter that there should be tags inside, but this was specifically said for headgear for political leaders. This gradually
was taken over for the manufacturing of SA headgear. It became common use since August 1934. There was then a general tag, which was used by SA, PO and HJ. It did then not mention the organization.
For the SS the tags included the word SS. For the HJ a specific tag was introduced not earlier then ultimate 1934. The tags were shown in the Mitteilungsblatt der RZM from November 17, 1934.
The kepi with a constant colored top and grommets (Ventile/Luftlöcher) became ultimate 1934 a common thing. The loose colored top disappeared. This is obvious from the new manufacturing instructions,
published December 8, 1934 where simultaneously an image was included.Last edited by wilhelm Saris; 06-22-2018, 03:43 AM.Comment
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Great detail information, Wim! Since this kepi dates from "about 1935," it's interesting to see the earliest version of the eagle and swastika logo -- the M-27 -- still in use on this kepi by that date, especially when the M-34 version of the logo had been in service for some months previous. Of course, members kept up with the regulation changes as best they could!
Thanks again, Wim -- the detail you add to these discussions is so helpful and useful.
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This early type of eagle was in use until in 1937 when it was introduced by Lutze June 28, 1937: Verordnungsblatt der OSAF, Nr. 9 from June 28, 1937 when it was phrased as: neues Hoheitszeichen für die SA-Dienstmütze (order F 2b 13736).
Maybe the person never bought a new kepi for wearing with the brownshirt. He may have had a second kepi for wear with the SA-tunic, as officially this kepi should be from another material and not twill.Last edited by wilhelm Saris; 06-22-2018, 12:33 PM.Comment
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Great educational thread and I’m truly thankful to Wim and Erich! Great information, which you share with us!Comment
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Thanks for your valuable information. I am glad I posted the kepi. Learned a lot!
RobertComment
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