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    2nd pattern Pl Reichsleitung Tabs and tunic

    Hi!
    I came across a PL tunic today which I thi k is put together but I am not shure. The tunic is the heavy wool kind winter type. The inside is not golden lined i think it is privstly purchest and has no labels. The buttons are golden but the rear support buttons are just normal small ones not the sewn in kind. The armband a brownshirt 2 parts armand with woven swaz.
    Here now what i had not seen before. The collar piping is a rope yellow kinda like the luxtwaffe had. Can this be?
    The tabs look ok to me what do you think??
    Thanks for infos!
    Dirk
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      #3
      no ideas / opinions?

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        Hi Dirk,

        May we see more photos of this tunic, illustrating that "The buttons are golden but the rear support buttons are just normal small ones not the sewn in kind. The armband a brownshirt 2 parts armand with woven swaz."

        Hopefully Jeff Clark will visit this thread and add his comment to your questions.

        Br. James

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          #5
          Hi James
          Sorry that are all pictures i got. The Srmbsnd was the normal printed kind. With the buttons i meant the golden ones with the swaz in the front of the Jacket and the back support which is normally tje yewn in kind support button is here the same button as the front ones just a bit smaler
          Cheers Dirk

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            #6
            The tabs are real. The tunic looks suspect, need more pictures to say for sure. I have seen some very early PL tunics with twisted piping.
            https://www.nsdapuniforms.com

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              #7
              The tabs are Red lable?
              Red lable is for hj , not for PL . Nsdap .

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                #8
                2nd pattern PL tabs had red RZM labeling, final pattern tabs had blue
                https://www.nsdapuniforms.com

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                  #9
                  RZM tags for the HJ usually had the diamond on them, correct?

                  Sydney

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jeff Clark View Post
                    2nd pattern PL tabs had red RZM labeling, final pattern tabs had blue
                    This is the same with H.J., and some black H.J. tags are known as well.

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                      Tunic

                      Agree with Mr. Clark - the tabs are definitely authentic.
                      Personally, I don't care for the collar piping.
                      I will defer to Mr. Clark beyond that......he forgot more about PL than I ever knew.

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                        #12
                        The early RZM labels were color coded to stand for the % collected by the RZM--so the early on, the colors didn't represent different organizations.
                        Re the collar piping--it's hard to say from a few photos. Years ago I had an Orts level early tunic that that came 'out of the woodwork' which had similar thick cotton twist piping around the collar, in light blue of course.
                        Erich
                        Festina lente!

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                          #13
                          twisted cord piping was used throughout, not so much 35 to 1938, mostly disappeared with final pattern insignia. a lot of these guys went to war in 1939 and never came home, their tunics were not upgraded to conform because many never returned and/or the war was over.
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                            these images aren't as clear after resizing to fit, but they both are wearing twisted cord tabs
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                              Thank you all so much! Jeff, great Pictures and a great lesson learned !
                              Best regards
                              Dirk

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