SA General's Sleeve Eagle II

[11C]

Photos sent....

[Bill D.]

A fascinating thread.

I'm just curious...

Does anyone have a period photograph of an SA General wearing a uniform with a sleeve eagle?

[Rick C]

Bob's Lutze sleeve eagle and below it the kepi eagle over the sleeve eagle.

Thanx very much Bob.

[11C]

Slight correction Rick....

That's Victor Lutze's sleeve eagle.....

[Rick C]

Just goes to show that missing punctuation can change the meaning of a sentence.

Bob's 'Lutze sleeve eagle' -

[Erich B.]

The eagle I referred to was, I'm 97% certain, gold bullion on bright red. The weight was what I found very impressive. It weighed more than an Army breast eagle or SS officer sleeve eagle.
Erich

[11C]

Can't help you then Erich..........This is Lutze's eagle, from Steven Wolfe. It came out with Kepi, Collar Tabs, and dagger back in the 70's. It shows up on several Max show and SOS displays over the years. Perhaps what you saw was not with Wolfe/Harden.

Bob

[Rick C]

I guess for the foreseeable future this thread is played out. I’m wondering though, about the regulations that were spoken of in the other threads I noted. Apparently sleeve eagles were authorized for a time in 1934 on the SA General’s field grey uniform. Then a subsequent regulation precluded anyone but the Stabschef-SA from wearing a gold bullion sleeve eagle. My query is relating to the ‘34 period wherein the one I picked up must’ve originated.

Is there anything in the ‘34 regulation that specifies that such sleeve eagles were to be embroidered on a badgecloth (color) representative of the Gruppe that they held command in? I imagine that this would make sense in that the badgecloth of said sleeve eagle would then exactly match (or closely) the base color of the General’s collar tabs and kepi top. This would explain why the bird that started this thread is backed on an ‘off-red’ badgecloth.

My wild-assed guess would be that my bird is the more carmine of the Obersten SA Führung, Feldherrnhalle. Indeed looking down the chart at (http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/CT2W.php) my bird’s color best matches the tabs shown for Hauptamt Brigadeführer - Oberst SA Führung and SA Mann - Standarte Feldherrnhalle Enlisted. Any thoughts on this?

Another observation I might make is that both Bob’s ‘Lutze’ bird and mine both have that interesting ‘hump’ cut around the head rather than the typical/usual straight cut across the wings/top one usually sees on Heer or KM eagles. Such humps are most often seen on Diplomatic/General Government birds as reflected on another of my birds here: (http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...40546#poststop) I wonder if this means anything reflective of a ‘civil’ vs military application or specific manufacturer(s).

[11C]

I don't believe the "hump over the head" has much to do about civil vs military application. About 10% of Kriegsmarine birds I see have the same hump; both cap and breast eagles.

The direction of the head is a stronger indication of civil vs military application. I do find that the Hitler Funeral Sash eagle has the same hump, faces to its left, and is the same red color, which might mean something as well, but I have no understanding of what that might mean at this point.

Bob

[Rick C]

For Bill D.

[Tony T-S]

Looks like half of hitler’s staff are part of that award ceremony. With Wolf borrowed from himmler.