Blood Order

[Gary Symonds]

Jabnus, as in Br. James post, as usual you bring my name up and "my many fakes," when I never offered an opinion about Blood Orders or Jo's video.

I don't even own a BO!
What sir is your problem?

[JoeW]

.................................................. .................... I also think i have never gotten into a situation with JoeW, been trying to remember what it could be the past two days, (perhaps the Gestapo disc, or some brooches, i really have no clue what else it could be), but for some reason he wants to discredit my BO and keeps calling it a fake a few replys above here. Funny fact is he has Pmed me a few days ago he got one awarded to an Austrian recipient connected to the Dolfuss murder. Every BO collector knows that the range number mine falls in is thought to be for medals awarded to Austrians.... yes, one would expect that he would immediatly recognize an Original as he a appearantly a similar one, right? Instead he made a few replies calling mine which is probably the same as his own, a fake. Of course im not here to throw with mud, i suppose many members know it takes a lot more to get me mad. My BO is a 100% original that has been in print for over 40 years and is well known and given thumbs up in numerous topics, also here on WAF. I simply chose to have a microlook at it too and have no problems if anyone shares information on that. Obviously i cant control how people act or present facts themselves, be it like here in this very topic or as in the Youtubevideo mentioned. Had i chosen different wording? Yes, because im simply me and have my own style.
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Happy hunting for collectibles everyone, im again pretty busy the next days, but will follow this topic with interest. If anyone needs pictures or anything about my BO, just ask.

best regards,
Gaston

Gaston

As I wrote to you by PM, here I wish to apologize to you for my comments that were the result of me simply not understanding the video I viewed. Quite frankly, the micro-video produced such extreme close-up that I was confused as to whether it was a genuine BO or the fake that he had destroyed earlier. I apologize for my stupidity in not realizing that what he was describing was your original 3545. I was struck by the seemingly porous surface that I took for a casting, rather than a die struck medal.

Again I apologize for this misunderstanding on my part and any concern or distress that it caused you.

Sincerely,

Joe

[Gary B]

Ugh....another "Microscope, Good or Bad" debate. At the end of the day, it comes down to this:

The "I've been in the hobby for 50 years" crowd will continue to rely on their knowledge and experience. People tend to get set in their ways as they get older.

The "Microscopes Uber Alles" crowd will continue to tout the benefits of microscopy to this hobby, continue to misuse the terminology, and eventually end-up adding misinformation to a hobby already saturated with worthless reference material, because the authors didn't do their due diligence well enough, or had a hidden agenda.

@ The old school collectors: You tend to stick to the methods that have served you well over time; I get it. Just don't be surprised to someday learn that some of your pricier items are bad. Some of the better fakes were made post-war using original dies and equipment. Some of what is currently being called post-war, can be proved to be war-time production, based on natural die progression, but that's a subject for another post.

@ The Microscope camp: For Christ's sake, learn and use the right terminology. If you want to use a microscope, and use your findings to assign identifying titles to various flaws on individual medals, take the time to learn their causes and use the right terms. Don't you realize that you lose credibility, undermine your own cause and sound foolish when you're inventing your own terms, when a whole set of language already exists? I got news for you: microscopes in this hobby have their limitations. Anybody claiming otherwise is selling something, and I say that as someone who used to get paid to study coins under one. Yeah, I know, "micro-patina cannot be faked" - well, if a badge was made in 1947 using original dies...it's going to have 70 years to accumulate "micro-patina"; can you tell the difference between 70 years, and 75 years of "micro-patina"? I don't think so. A badge that has die flaws only tells you how it was made; it doesn't necessarily tell you 'when it was made', unless you're taking the time to do a boatload of comparative analysis across hundreds or thousands of other examples. Anything less is a waste of time.

@ Gary B:

Why do I get the uneasy feeling that we will someday be seeing awards on e-Stand, with titles like: "PO Badge, MS-64PL, PQ surfaces VAM-14.5"?

Giuseppe,

Wise words my fellow coin/medal collector! And with respect to your last question....will they be able to encapsulate them!

Gary B

[JoeW]

Giuseppe,

Wise words my fellow coin/medal collector! And with respect to your last question....will they be able to encapsulate them!

Gary B

Ah yes. A slabbed Blood Order. But who will provide the certification that usually accompanies the item? Uh oh.