SA or NSKK?

[sgstandard]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=904794
Hey guys - This was posted in SS section, and they told him it was no good.
The tab looks fine to me - but the litzen looks silver instead of usual blk./white.
Is it NSKK? The buckrum sure looks original to me.

[Edelweisse]

Additional pictures with original NSKK insignia, Yes.....it is silver...not white

[Edelweisse]

Pictures of back of NSKK insignia...it sure does look the same..but...I could be wrong

[Edelweisse]

More pictures

[Edelweisse]

Some more pictures

[Edelweisse]

Last Picture

I appreciate getting a 2nd opinion......but I don't want conflict.

[sgstandard]

Tabs, etc.

Don't worry about conflict.
Everyone's here to learn, and no one knows everything, though I appear to, at times.....
The thing that concerns me is that every insignia has the same backing, which is somewhat unusual, unless manufactured by the same company. If people display 5 SA collar tabs, usually they're all different, except for collar tab "sets", for example.
Let's see what people say. If you don't get much of a response, it means they don't know, or aren't sure. SA tabs are easier because you can go by the embroidery or stitching. But if you have NSKK metal numerals, you can make your own tabs.......
I like the backing from the initial photos, but I'm not sure on the silver litzen.
like I mentioned earlier, it could have been a blank SA tab with the litze added in order to sell it as SS. Just a possibility.
PS: I noticed an orange substance on the back of rank tab. Gently lift the flaps to see if GLUE was used to cement the flaps. They never used glue - they painted the liquid stiffening agent onto the back of the buckrum, and when it was tacky, it served as the adhesive as well.

[squidney86]

But if you have NSKK metal numerals, you can make your own tabs.......

Which is why I have always been leery of them. I avoid SA tabs if the entire tab is designed with metal insignia even though it was done during the time. Honestly, one can question any TR insignia with metal devices on them because of the exact reason above.

[sgstandard]

Tabs

Go to Post #4...........
Notice the "sheen" or shininess of the buckrum?
IMO, the SS collectors think it looks like fake buckrum you often see on fake SS tabs...
But I've seen those kinds of tabs, and it lacks this particular quality.
I think the NSKK insignia looks ok....

As for the initial tab in question, it still looks real to me, but I don't understand the silver litzen.
Whenever it's hard to discern real from not-real, items should be inspected in hand.

[Erich B.]

Re SA tabs, I've had originals with no backing, celluloid backing, metal backing, linen backing, buckram backings of various weaves, shiny, matte, etc. The RZM Herstellungsvorschriften and SA Verordnungsblätter both have notices warnng that only the backing fabric available through the RZM is allowed to be used, and that anything else is against regulations. The same type of warning was repeated a few times about unauthorized types of cloth for the tabs being used, wrong type of embroidery, advisement to purchase kit only from RZM licensed outlets, etc.
Unless there is something specifically wrong with this backing fabric (like some postwar thread, fabric, or other ingredient), or it's found chiefly behind a known series of fake SS tabs, it would be hard to exclude any period-made fabric used for backing SA tabs.
I can't tell about the fabric from these photos or about the rank Tresse, although it does look like fake SS Tresse rather than any SA style--at least from these images. I agree with Sgstandard and Squidney that a hands on examination would be necessary to make an intelligent decision.
Erich

[Edelweisse]

Thank you very much for your comments.