Himmler knife

[Br. James]

I see what you mean, Jo...! And this pair of tableware implements you've linked to are neither the same monogram pattern, the same cutlery design or the same manufacturer, and even though the offering is for "HEINRICH HIMMLER ENGRAVED STERLING FLATWARE," the two pieces described are not "sterling" but are silver-plate -- as indicated by the "90" in the description.

Some days we can't get anything right...!!

Br. James

[Jo Rivett]

http://www.snyderstreasures.com/page...erware.htm#wmf

Snyder did a roaring trade in H.H engraved spoons and the like. So i guess now that he sadly passed away, others have to fill his shoes, and carry on the Charlie Legacy!

[Nische]

Still no update from A.H. You would think after a few days he would have heard something from the seller, or at least provide an update to the forum.

I wonder if famous international seller Brent knows that he is the subject of this thread?

[Jo Rivett]

Still no update from A.H. You would think after a few days he would have heard something from the seller, or at least provide an update to the forum.

I wonder if famous international seller Brent knows that he is the subject of this thread?

No, all the seller would have anyway, would be the handwriten letter that accompanied these. So all the seller(s) could and would ever say, would be that "A vet letter authenticates them".

And if you think that any opinion is going to make any seller of this crap give a refund?....dream on. They sucked up the vet story when they first bought them, and they have passed on the vet story together with making a fine profit, so anyone who fell for the same story is stuck with these forever. That is why i said, at least the buyer has something to eat his meal with.
en guete

[a.h.]

I bring what the seller has me written:
"They are 100 percent original and well accepted. All HH roll stamped not engraved and mfg was a well known jeweler that Himmler used. Written history was all I got from the veterans granddaughter that sold it. 100 percent authentic. They are wrong .

This was a known veterans family bought group of about 23 pieces in total . I bought and handle these pieces over the past 2 years and sold all pieces without any one question in authenticity. It's been seen by many well known collectors and dealers that agreed to its authenticity. Still all roll stamped not engraved by some engraver as fakes could be produced. When you post on the WAF this type of item they can make what eve judgements they want but they do not know the entire story of how and where acquired. 100 percent originals. If not happy return them and I will resell them for you .


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[Br. James]

I hadn't heard that Charlie Snyder had died. When did this happen?

Br. James

[Br. James]

Perhaps it's obvious, but if pieces such as this knife were all "well accepted," as the seller stated to a.h., then we wouldn't be spending this much time questioning this piece, would we? I hope not!

Br. James

[Jo Rivett]

Back in 2016 James, There are a few threads about his passing.

A.H, although it is a very lame offer to simply relist and resell the crap to another, sticking to a rather pathetic second generation VET fable silly letter... DO IT.. send this crap back to him and get your money back.

These are only accepted by him, because he sold 20 odd pieces, and of course will be accepted by those who bought them from him, and others like Alexander Historical Auctions simply because they HAVE TO ACCEPT IT
You saw the Alexander Historical Auctions link.. over 2000 dollars for a combo.. of three of these.

[J. Wraith]

Perhaps it's obvious, but if pieces such as this knife were all "well accepted," as the seller stated to a.h., then we wouldn't be spending this much time questioning this piece, would we? I hope not!

Br. James

Br. James

You guys are way out of line on this silver, and your friends here are like a pack of wolves just destroying this guy for no reason at all. There is nothing wrong with that silver, the only question is was it Himmler's? and you do not know. But I will tell you that in the past a veteran letter or indirect veteran purchase from a family member has been enough. It may not garner huge premiums but the silver itself is done to the specs that you would see in the period and the paperwork can be decided by a buyer. But what you jokers have done here with the lead role by Jo Rivett the caped crusader of micrp-patina is completely destroy this guy posting his silver. Good job, how very special you are.

Back in 2016 James, There are a few threads about his passing.

A.H, although it is a very lame offer to simply relist and resell the crap to another, sticking to a rather pathetic second generation VET fable silly letter... DO IT.. send this crap back to him and get your money back.

These are only accepted by him, because he sold 20 odd pieces, and of course will be accepted by those who bought them from him, and others like Alexander Historical Auctions simply because they HAVE TO ACCEPT IT
You saw the Alexander Historical Auctions link.. over 2000 dollars for a combo.. of three of these.

And you sir have no clue what your talking about and should stick to your specialties and micro patina crap-ola. Thats what you do, you write about party badges and all of a sudden you know everything about everything and your just bullying this guy.

There is no adequate reference for silver, there never has been and it has been evaluated type and example as they come, much of it with veteran provenance and some without. Your completely out of line on this guy.

[Jo Rivett]

Perhaps it's obvious, but if pieces such as this knife were all "well accepted," as the seller stated to a.h., then we wouldn't be spending this much time questioning this piece, would we? I hope not!

Br. James

Yes... i wonder if all the different ones Snyder had are also "accepted".
Probably not because they are only in the $200.- range. As soon as you step into the 4 figure range, "accepted" takes on a new meaning. Well, predominantly for the people who have financial interests in the "accepted", of course.

[JoeW]

I hadn't heard that Charlie Snyder had died. When did this happen?

Br. James

I hadn't heard of it either Br. James. He passed away in October 2015. In spite of his reputation, he was a veteran and served his country in Korea and Nam.
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dig...58&mid=6630609

[Br. James]

"Back in 2016 James, There are a few threads about his passing."

Thanks very much, Jo. I must have missed those threads; I'll do a search for them.

Br. James

[Jo Rivett]

"Back in 2016 James, There are a few threads about his passing."

Thanks very much, Jo. I must have missed those threads; I'll do a search for them.

Br. James

2015..not 16.. time seems to be going faster than it did back in the day..... in any case, yes his is no longer with us but his site is still up and running, so unless he paid up server fees a year or so in advance, "someone" is still selling his stuff.

[Br. James]

Thanks for sharing Charlie's obituary, Joe; much appreciated. I fully agree with your sentiment: "In spite of his reputation, he was a veteran and served his country in Korea and Nam." May he rest in peace, with sincere thanks for his service.

Br. James

[Br. James]

To J. Wraith:

"You guys are way out of line on this silver, and your friends here are like a pack of wolves just destroying this guy for no reason at all. There is nothing wrong with that silver, the only question is was it Himmler's? and you do not know. But I will tell you that in the past a veteran letter or indirect veteran purchase from a family member has been enough. It may not garner huge premiums but the silver itself is done to the specs that you would see in the period and the paperwork can be decided by a buyer. But what you jokers have done here with the lead role by Jo Rivett the caped crusader of micrp-patina is completely destroy this guy posting his silver. Good job, how very special you are."

I'm sorry you disagree with my opinion, but providing opinions on material that colleagues question is what WAF and other sites like this are all about. When our colleague, a.h., brought this piece to our attention, he did so in good faith, as expressed in his original question: "Real knife himmler monogram HH or Fake?" My response intended to obtain more information about this piece, though a.h. was only able to provide a statement from the vet's granddaughter; no first-hand information there. In my subsequent notes on this thread I sought to express my opinion that, since this knife is not self-evident in terms of its authenticity, I see no way of verifying this piece as having once belonged to Heinrich Himmler. Clear and simple, and certainly without any interest on my part to "destroy this guy" in any way.

We don't do our hobby or our colleagues any service if we aren't honest with each other, and we also don't do WAF any service if we use this forum to demean each other by name-calling. For myself, this was never my intention and I'm sorry if you see something in my responses that was intended to be harmful or hurtful in any way. Such was never intended by me.

Br. James