desk eagle help

[rlimike]

I need some opinions on this desk eagle. The sellers description claims it is a one of piece.

[J. Wraith]

not a one off

[rlimike]

not a one off

I believe it is a repro

[J. Wraith]

I believe it is a repro

The bird is an original but might have been cleaned?. The base material does not appear to jive and the base may be a replacement. Still has value but when someone says a one off, usually they want to scalp you.

[mloppkit]

Eagle Description from seller:

Very heavy cast brass/bronze eagle with silver plated finish having excellent detail. Cut and polished Italian marble base with green felt bottom and Carl Keller maker sticker. This rare desk eagle was taken from a desk in the Dachau Commandant's Office by a 157th Infantry regiment soldier of the 45th Division. The 157th Rgt was the first regiment to enter the camp and accept its surrender. Please see period photo of the larger Dachau main gate eagle. It is certainly a close match to this small version! This eagle has a wing span of 4 1/4 inches, overall height of 6 1/4 inches from the base of the marble to the top of the eagles head. Very heavy for it's size weighing 3 lb 10 oz. Very rare item!

From the description and appearance we can gather that it is a silver plated brass casting of an original M3/100 Nuremberg eagle- with a lot of the siver plating worn off. To my knowledge, the factory M3/100 birds were never solid brass, only hollow white metal so I think the seller is saying that 'one-off' refers to the assumption that 'Carl Keller' has cast this bird in brass from an original and put it on the beautiful green marble base. I have seen a handful of original Brass/ Bronze Nuremberg eagles of the period but they were not like this M3/100 copy and all were correctly foundry/ maker marked. This is not an eagle I would buy for such a lot money.

I see that it sold for 2700USD- that's a heap of cash for a 'one-off' brass eagle copy - even if an original 'one-off' cast of the period. It seems that someone has bought the "Dachau Story" - as well as the eagle.

Cheers,
Michael

[mloppkit]

As posted by seller:

Extremely Rare One of a Kind Eagle and Swastika Desk Statue with Marble Base

[mrec27777]

one of the giveaways to this being fake ...lack of detail in areas ..like around feet , rather "crude" looking swas ..rounded ... ec

[11C]

Here's what a real bronze eagle looks like....

http://www.thirdreicharts.com/index....t&product_id=9

[mloppkit]

one of the giveaways to this being fake ...lack of detail in areas ..like around feet , rather "crude" looking swas ..rounded ... ec

Hi ec, that is exactly what I thought when I first saw this eagle, these signs that it was a cast version of an original immediately stood out to me as well- whether it was period cast however???,

[mloppkit]

A nice original bronze eagle vet return with the correct RZM and foundry markings. Previously posted on the WAF:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=charlie+dukes

Charles Dukes - Co. L, 413th Inf., 104th Timberwolf Div.

Charles was one of the last documented World War II POW's to be repatriated at the end of the war. He reached Allied lines at the Elbe River on May 27, 1945, some 20 days after the official end of the war and after escaping from a Russian-controlled POW camp at Luckenwalde, Germany. Mr. Dukes is the author of, "Good Night the Nightmares Never End
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/loc...ld-war-ii.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTaNjnGc0AA

http://ilvets.ltc.k12.il.us/ilvets/V...rles-Duke.aspx

[rlimike]

Eagle Description from seller:

From the description and appearance we can gather that it is a silver plated brass casting of an original M3/100 Nuremberg eagle- with a lot of the siver plating worn off. To my knowledge, the factory M3/100 birds were never solid brass, only hollow white metal so I think the seller is saying that 'one-off' refers to the assumption that 'Carl Keller' has cast this bird in brass from an original and put it on the beautiful green marble base. I have seen a handful of original Brass/ Bronze Nuremberg eagles of the period but they were not like this M3/100 copy and all were correctly foundry/ maker marked. This is not an eagle I would buy for such a lot money.

I see that it sold for 2700USD- that's a heap of cash for a 'one-off' brass eagle copy - even if an original 'one-off' cast of the period. It seems that someone has bought the "Dachau Story" - as well as the eagle.

cheers,
Michael

Michael, thanks for the input I agree with you on all points especially the $2700.00 hammer price. Also thanks to everyone who helped with my question.
thanks,
Mike