SA uniform Westmark

[leona]

Hi guys,

your opinion please!!! Over what period are we talking here? After 1937?

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[squidney86]

Are the tabs black? If so then its definitely not Gruppe Westmark. Also, the sturmfuhrer tab does not go with the rest of the buttons on the uniform. All the buttons and pips should be matching either gold or silver. I personally am not a fan of the insignia. The chainstitching on the tab is not very tight.

[leona]

For sure they are brown....

[squidney86]

For sure they are brown....

It looked black on my phone.

[luftwaffe blue]

The piping is fake and modern

[sgstandard]

SA Sturmfuhrer

Squidney is correct....pips should be silver.
Both shirt and breeches appear unissued.
Shoulderboard button should be smooth, not pebbled.
Piping looks like it was made from Christmas ribbon.
Tabs and shoulderboard may be authentic, but not in their current form.
If tabs are original, pips were probably added to a blank rank tab, along with the bizarre piping.
Even shoulderboard is suspect. SA jr. officer's shoulderboards are fairly rare, but they keep popping up on Frankenstein brownshirts.
If you just bought it, send it back immediately.
PS: In answer to your question, the period this shirt is claiming to represent is between 1933-1938/39.
SA regulations are complicated, so the fakers often get something wrong.

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Breeches are slightly worn. I own them already a long time. They are not the issue. I'm concerned about the jacket. The jacket is completely unworn. It's however for sure not new. You can see dust etc in corners and seams.

You need some extra pics guys?

[sgstandard]

Shirt

Post #12..........snip a tiny bit of that excess piping off where it's frayed.
Hold it with a tweezers, and touch a match to it. It will melt into a small ball if it's polyester. If it's a natural material, it will disintegrate into ash like all WWII-era thread. Even if it IS natural (which I doubt), it's still not likely to be authentic to the shirt.
Even if it IS original, the gold pips give the game away.......
I have it from a reputable source that the SA purposely kept changing their uniforms to confound future fakers.