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    #16
    Originally posted by Don D. View Post
    So you are saying that prison agreed with him.
    Exactly!

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      #17
      Not to be a jerk or anything, but doctors in charge of Hermann weened him off the opiates gradually - they did not force him to go cold turkey. I do remember reading this in one of the memoirs written by the Nuremberg psychologist assigned to the Nuremberg defendants. (Kelly perhaps?)


      Originally posted by Bob Clark View Post
      They put Hermann on a "cold-turkey" regimen which freed him of his opiate addiction (this later proved harmful to the U.S. Prosecution team,
      especially Robert Jackson, as Goering was able to regain his confidence and became his "old-self" by pounding the Americans with their own evidence
      against them). The absence of the drug addiction assisted in the weight loss, but the primary factor was the semi-starvation diet the defendants
      were on....I mean look at the photos of the defendants in the dock, especially by 1946...almost skeletons, which made Hermann look normal. Let it
      be known that my intention is not to defend these men or "Herr Meyer", as their crimes speak for themselves....just sharing why H.G. lost so much
      weight at Nuremberg.

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        #18
        Originally posted by squidney86 View Post
        It's actually pretty interesting how big he gets throughout the reign of the TR. And then follow that up with his imprisonment photos and hes slimmed out some. Wonder why....
        I thought the same. I thought Hess always looked a little off to begin with, but he looked downright frightening during the trials.
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          #19
          Even the old Winnie was not as bad as in lard and spirits

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            #20
            There's a story that a Munich sausage seller got 6 months Dauchau time for advertising his sausages as "as fat as Goring", the Gestapo didn't see the funny side of it

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              #21
              Goring suffered a severe hip wound in aerial combat in 1916. He was also wounded, in the groin, during the failed 1923 Putsch. He used morphine for the persistant pain and became addicted. This addiction plagued him for the rest of his life. Luckily, for the Nuremburg prosecutors, he took his own life. He would have made a circus out of the trial.

              I do not apologize for Goring's crimes, but I find him a fascinating man and one of the most important military leaders of the war. He had am impressive record in the first war and developed the blitzkreig method of attack which was new to modern warfare. His laws on conservation, forestry management, and hunting are still on the books today.

              Unfortunately, his lust for art led him to justify thievery of the great European artworks for both himself and the future museums of the Reich. There is never an excuse for theft. For these crimes, he has lost his place in history and remains, forever, a criminal.

              Bob Hritz
              In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

              Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                #22
                Originally posted by merdock View Post
                Why has Goring wearing a denazified pilots badge?
                Mark
                Saw that first thing too. Nobody bit.

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                  #23
                  Bob Hritz - Luckily, for the Nuremburg prosecutors, he took his own life. He would have made a circus out of the trial.

                  He had already gone through the trial and found guilty Bob, then took his own life....

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                    #24
                    oh my Bob, Blitzkrieg was not Goring's idea... Not sure he had any original ideas.

                    It was entirely Guderian...

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                      #25
                      Goering had many other crimes against him including the final solution , slave labor, and more.
                      He of course was only one of the ones who wasn't able to escape punishment , like many convicted to death later overturned to the dismay of us army victims .
                      There is a good book written by John lattimer that deals with all the main players , their crimes, and their photos including pieces of the actual ropes used to hang them all. I can't recall the title , but shouldn't be difficult to locate on Amazon .
                      Lattimer was a dentist I believe attached to the Nuremberg trials , and shows a fantastic collection of items he collected personally, now in the hands of his son, also a collector.
                      He deals in more medical terms the illness that Hitler had suffered from , and I highly recommend into the mental faculty of all the trial big wigs.
                      Bob is correct , but there is more to the story even about goering, like the death of his beloved first wife...and one of the most interesting things was his daughters rejection to be friendly with Adolph, which embarrassed he and his second wife, but the girl had it right , and could not be dissuaded of her rejection to being too close to hitler.
                      Anyway getting off track somewhat..but if you want a closer look at the cyanide capsules , and how Goering was able to acquire the poison , it even explains where he hid it right under the noses of the guards who even searched his cell regularly I recommend hunting down a copy for your personal library's...the collectibles photos of rare personal items he acquired during and post war from other veterans one are worth purchasing the book.
                      Last edited by juoneen; 05-22-2016, 03:34 PM.

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                        #26
                        Dr. John K. Lattimer was an accomplished urologist and served during WWII. He died on May 10, 2007 in Teaneck NJ. These are selections from his biography on Wikipedia:

                        "During World War II, Dr. Lattimer served as an army physician and treated D-Day casualties in the field. Lattimer was attached to General Patton's Third Army and participated in Patton's drive across France. Lattimer frequently related a story where, on the occasion of Patton's first crossing of the Rhine River, he observed Patton stop in the middle of the bridge and urinate over the side into the river. Lattimer was assigned to the prisoner's barracks at Nuremberg in the spring of 1945, where notorious inmates like Hermann Göring were housed during their war crimes trial. Lattimer served as general medical officer during the Nuremberg Trials, attending to the medical needs of the war crimes defendants. Lattimer was on hand at Nuremberg prison to view Göring's body just after Göring had committed suicide in his prison cell by biting a cyanide capsule that he had kept concealed in a jar of medicinal cream.

                        "In 1999, Lattimer wrote "Hitler's Fatal Sickness and Other Secrets of the Nazi Leaders" based largely on this experience. In this book he theorized that Hitler exhibited the symptoms of Parkinson's Disease, which he demonstrates with examples of his deteriorating signature and photographs of Hitler clutching objects to prevent his hand from trembling. Lattimer further proposed that Hitler's discovery of his illness was a factor in postponing Germany's attack on Britain in late 1940 and directing his attention towards Russia."

                        At least part of Dr. Lattimer's large and historic collection of TR artifacts is being auctioned by Hermann Historica on June 18th.

                        Br. James

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                          #27
                          Regarding the 2 armbands. The outer armband is the one he wore during the Putsch.

                          http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/c59caf19b4...-at-d9d0wj.jpg

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                            #28
                            The de-nazified pilot's badge still has me wondering. Has it been doctored for the photo??? Surely not, as the arm bands still show the swaz. This is a very interesting photo.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Brian S View Post
                              oh my Bob, Blitzkrieg was not Goring's idea... Not sure he had any original ideas.

                              It was entirely Guderian...
                              There is mounting evidence to show that Guderian did not develop the Blitzkrieg tactic, as he has been credited with, but had actually taken/enhanced the idea from papers written by an Oberst (can't recall his name). More historians now are crediting this Oberst with the original idea of the Blitzkrieg, although there can be no doubt of Guderian's contributions to the tactic.

                              Gary B
                              ANA LM #1201868, OMSA LM #60, OVMS LM #8348

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
                                Goring suffered a severe hip wound in aerial combat in 1916.
                                Interesting - was he awarded a wound badge? I don't think I've seen him sporting one.

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