SA - Org. Todt : what are these collar tabs ?

[Maxoumilitaria]

Hi guys,

I already posted the pictures in another thread in the Wehrmact forum but their real place is here and I would need your help identifying the guys on them.

These pictures are really big and extremely sharp so making a good close-up is easy. On the back of the 2 is written "Lehrgang - Juli/August 1943" + some names. Lehrgang means course in German.

Thanks for your help!!

Max

1) The first one shows 3 SA-Officers with other men in fatigue uniforms. From the 3 SA-Officers, I'm intrigued by the 2 on the left and their collar tabs: what I believe to be a "3" for one and something like an arrow pointing us for the other... Any idea what these tabs are ?




2) The second shows one of the previous 3 SA-Officer (SA-Sturmführer) with members of the Todt Organisation. I was wondering was could be the link between the SA and the OT. Were the SA giving some kind of course to the OT ? What would that be ?

[echoe]

SA photo

Wow. Can barely make out the details on my iPhone but it looks like a bunch of OT guys in a lehrgang with a sturmbannfuhrer from RFS a SA staff officer with the numbered unit tab and possibly a member of SA staff from Gruppe Berlin?
Great photo

[sgstandard]

Photos

I agree with the previous post. The lack of collar piping on the 2 Sturmfuhrer's tunics suggest the photo was taken post 1940.

[paulj]

SA Standarte 443 was from Brandenburg so the staff tab with a "B" would match up.

[Maxoumilitaria]

Thanks for your answers guys !

Pardon my question but political organisations are not my focus: concerning the Sturmbannfuhrer from RFS (I guess RFS is Reichsführerschule), what is on the collar tab ? An arrow like I supposed or something else ?

[Erich B.]

Yes, it's a Tyr-rune, in this case indicating a member of the school staff.
Erich

[Maxoumilitaria]

Thanks a lot Erich !

[Lancer506]

Could this tall gentleman with the Ferdhandalle dagger be him? This is a photo of mine

[wilhelm Saris]

443 was located in the SA-district Berlin-Brandenburg, specifically its headquarters being at Templin. It was a part of brigade 26. As such listed in an address-list from March 1942.
As far as known 443 was first listed in July 1937.

[echoe]

SA photo

nice photo. can you tell the event, time frame or place?