SA Paper

[dolchmann07]

(on the back side)
SERVICE STAMPS (Inside Circle)

SIGNATURE of the service
(Above the Dotted Line)

German Version

DIENST-STEMPEL

UNTERSCHRIFT der Dienststelle

[dolchmann07]

SA Paper

Hello All,
I have this small piece of paper, it is 3 3/8 X 2 3/8 inches, it is made of currency type woven paper. I really do not have a clue as to what it is, and I question my google translation. 100 drummers ?? Any way I have given the German text and the translated text. IT DOES FEEL LIKE CURRENCY ??
Does anyone know what it is ?
All help and or opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Jack

On The FRONT

SA
EMPFANGS-SCHEIN
uber
100 trommler 6er LASCHEN
oder
200 trommler 3er LASCHEN

TRANSLATED: ???
SA
RECEPTION SHEEN
above
100 drummers 6 TABS
or
200 Drummers 3 TABS

[Gerdan]

There was a shoe factors with the name Trommler.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/95230-AK-Zwoe...-/371419880717

"Lasche" could also be part of a shoe - tongue.

This could be a very strange interpretation of your document but I found no other one.

Gerdan

[SLIM]

Maybe sa Sturm cigarettes , if I remember right there were 4 makers of these Sturm cigarettes and trommler were one of these ?

[Br. James]

Hi Jack,

My initial thought was that this slip had to do with the SA cigarette by the name "Trommler," as Slim mentioned, but Gerdan's response now seems more compelling to me. In a vernacular translation, this slip appears to me to be a receipt issued by an SA unit that took delivery of an order for shoes. The "Laschen" could be a reference to the lace eye-holes on the shoes, and the receipt could have been used for the described quantity of either style of shoe.

Just a thought!

Br. James

[Gerdan]

I agree with Br. James. I think it fits as we do not have a better interpretation.

Gerdan

[der-hase-fee]

These cigarettes we sold to fund the SA. So the use of receipts appears fully granted.

This might be the 6er Lasche:

[Br. James]

Hi Andreas,

Was your last note complete as-is or did you intend to include something further?

If I had not seen Gerdan's link prior to my initial response, I would have agreed fully that this slip related to cigarettes under the name "Trommler;" I was not aware that there were any other products sold for the benefit of the SA that used that particular name. But Gerdan's note expanded my knowledge and I began to think of a possibly broader application than just to Trommler cigarettes. I could be way off base, of course, but it still sounds possible!?

Br. James

[dolchmann07]

SA paper ??

OK, I am holding it in my hand right now. It is a piece of paper that was made to last over time (like Currency) because of the fiber threads running through the paper. Some call it oil cloth, you would be stressed to tear this with 2 hands, or I would be. And what about the squares on the reverse.
I would never just assume something came together, you usually find out you are wrong.
But it did come in this SA Sturm cigarette holder, that I was told was sold with 200 cigarettes in it as a promotion.
While I do not like the google translation.
I do not like the shoe translation 6 shoe tongue's ???
Br. James why would a simple receipt be on currency type paper? I am not against your point, but for the sake of getting it right.
I also say again, this piece of paper was in the glass case from the time I bought it. From a picker in Europe. But I never assumed they ever went together.
Jack
Pardon my Dust we are working on the ceiling in my house.
I also understand that these are all just guess's, but it is a odd piece of paper. I would like to focus more on the EMPFANGS-SCHEIN .

[Br. James]

Hi Jack,

You raise a good question, no doubt, and I have no idea why a simple receipt for any product -- cigarettes or shoes or whatever -- might be presented on long-lasting paper. It doesn't make sense! But until a short while ago I didn't know that the SA was involved in commercial production of anything except cigarettes, so I guess there is still much to learn here.

Hope your ceiling work turned out well! Cheers,

Br. James

[Erich B.]

It's the same type of treated linen that SA IDs are printed on--it's virtually impossible to make any changes to typed or inked entries; the surface will rub off along with whatever one is attempting to erase.
It says it's a receipt for SA Trommler (cigarettes), which were the biggest selling and among the cheaper brands produced ('Neue Front' was, I believe, the most expensive). The Sturm cigarette company was founded in 1929 via a deal between the founder and the SA, whereby the SA received 15-20 pf for every 1000 cigarettes sold. In 1932 the company did RM 36 million in sales, and more in 1933. In 1935, due to pressure from Reetsma, Göring, and the SA leadership purge, they filed for bankruptcy.
I don't know exactly how this certificate worked==obviously when Trommler cigarettes were purchased, there must have been a stamp or sticker placed on the reverse, and, once filled, it could be exchanged for cigarettes or ? I know a lot of blank certificates were found in the 80s, if memory serves--for a while they were all over shows.
I've got one of those blue glass containers as well, plus some miscellaneous SA Sturm related ephemera. I've not found (haven't really been looking) why the glass boxes were produced or how and when they could be purchased in period references. In the US during the late 20s, early 30s, one could purchase single cigarettes from a newspaper/tobacco store. I thought they might be for similar establishments in Germany to hold loose cigarettes, or perhaps they could be purchased filled with cigarettes to be given as a Christmas present?
Erich

[der-hase-fee]

This might be a 6er Lasche:

[dolchmann07]

SA Paper

Thanks Eric, I think I agree with you even though the straight from Old German to Modern English translation does not work. I think physical stamps were meant to go in the small squares even though I once asked Mathew Roth of MAR Historical about it and he really did not know and if anyone would or should know it would be him, with his expertise on paper items and anything with any kind of stamps.
In the 1970's I saw the blue glass case with a large wrapped bundle of cigarettes in it. So I would suggest and stated so, that the glass container was a promotion, you buy a quantity of cigarettes and get the glass table case for free or it was the other way around, you bought the case and the cigarettes were free.
But as I said in my post while the 2 pieces came to me together I never assumed they were related> I would of never thought of the shoe relationship and while I find it interesting, I do not think it is related.
I want to thank Br.James and others for the input, I feel it is still open to interpetation. But the cigarette relationship makes more sense. (to me).
As usual it is a great discussion.
Jack

[dolchmann07]

Sa

These cigarettes we sold to fund the SA. So the use of receipts appears fully granted.

This might be the 6er Lasche:

Hello Andreas, I would bet I have 20 different brands of German/Austrian cigarettes and around 50 variants of packaging and I have never been able to find any actual SA brand packs for my purchase. I have Salems and Camels with German/Austrian Nazi period tax stamps. And many more brands.
My question now is: Are the SA Trommel brand packs hard to find or is it just a case of me never running across any packs since I have been collecting for 42 years ? Are they rare ?
Jack

[Erich B.]

They are very difficult to find! First--not many people would save empty cigarette packages, since, once empty, they're trash. Second--since the brand ceased to exist after 1935, they weren't around for GIs to find and bring home. I have only 2 packages, though I've seen a few more over the years. One was saved because the owner used the box to hold "Schachfiguren" (chess pieces--probably paper cut-outs due to the small size of the box).
Erich