Hello forum. This is a badge that I've had for a number of years, that I'd appreciate some feedback on. Unlike the other example I'd posted for sale (thinking was legit), this one is UN-MARKED, and however pitiful my photos are (due to a sub-standard old camera), I hope that the photos I've uploaded are good enough to give you some idea as to its overall configuration. While manipulating the formatting, (brightness), the white field became quite washed out unfortunately, however, in my opinion at least, the enamel work seems to be very high quality, and the lettering quite crisp. There are utterly NO markings to the reverse, and it appears to be more convex than my other party-type pins. Could this be another reproduction, or might I have a period example here? Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
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I'm not going to pretend that I have some vast pool of knowledge on these, so I hope other more experienced collectors will also chime in, but to my eyes it seems like this one has been created using the same obverse die as many of the B marked reproductions... looks like it's in the exact same configuration as one of the repros pictured in The Party Badge book as well, that one's unmarked too. Also, this one also has this odd white oxidation that Jo brings up as an issue to note.
In my eyes this is yet another repro.Comment
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Well, I will say in a side by side comparison, this one is MUCH more convex, has much cleaner lines to the Fraktur lettering, seemingly higher quality enamel, shorter, more robust pin, etc, even the planchette material is different. The "oxidation" (I'm presuming you mean the solder flash under the hardware?), was significantly highlighted by the flash. I'm going to hold out some hope on this one...Thanks again for taking the time to comment.Comment
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It looks just like the reproduction in Jo's book, which is noted as a "modern reproduction"--- exactly the same pin setup, exact same font. That's the solder? Looks like it's all over the pin plate... remnants all over the reverse, not just bordering the solder... just like the residue on other fake badges that I have seen, an issue that is also noted in The Party Badge. The solder is of course clearly visible but that's not what I am referring to.Comment
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No, no "oxidation" on the reverse, just what you see under the pin (again, MUCH accentuated by the flash). I believe it's mostly flash reflecting off of dust particles (as also on the red cushion it's sitting on). I really need to invest in a better camera w/ much higher pixel quality, but I digress...I believe I saw another one, very similar to this one, shown in another thread on the Austrian party pin, un-marked, and with an overall configuration appearing very similar to this one. Don't recall if it garnered much of a response, either way. Regarding the "font", yes, I'd imagine that it's the same Fraktur, but what I'm referring to is how much more defined this example is, especially when comparing it to the other "B" marked example I'd posted. Thx. again for commenting.Last edited by Milton; 03-03-2015, 04:04 PM.Comment
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I didn't mean it was the same, as in simply sporting fraktur font... I was saying it looks to be absolutely identical to the "modern reproduction" pictured on p. 471 in the aforementioned book. Doesn't matter much if the font is more detailed than the "B" marked example when the one in question here seems to have an identical repro. twin.
And I'm still seeing residue of some sort that is not solder... the margins of the solder are clearly visible and this residue is of an entirely different color and texture.Comment
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I can attempt better photos at my next opportunity, but regardless, I will have to endeavor to compare it to the example you're referencing. If you do a search in this forum under "Austrian Party Pin" there's another thread w/ what appears to be an unmarked example very close in configuration to this one, on which it seems that the jury never returned a specific verdict on, either...Something that seems to be a recurring phenomenon as regards these badges! If the general consensus is that THIS type is a "modern repro" too, I guess I'll just have to set it aside as a space filler until the day when or IF an ORIGINAL example ever surfaces! Thx.Comment
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...SLIGHTLY off topic, but "close", this is another party pin, which came directly from a veteran's estate lot which I was led to believe is a variant example, and likely quite early. Not "Austrian" as such, but also a type of fastening / fixture I've not since come across in my travels....A couple of quick snaps below...Comment
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The badge in that thread looks to have been created using the same obverse die as at least your B marked example. Yes, exact same configuration... no markings. I don't like it.
Again, my inner jury says NO --- seems the same badge I'm talking about is also on parteiabzeichen.ch
Now, the badge you just posted above is another matter--- nice one! Love the attachment, sunray pattern, markings and everything! And, perhaps not Hitlerbewegung but still from an Austrian maker and pretty rare --- looks like the same pattern as on one I've got from that maker!Comment
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Thanks. Well, regarding the first one, ((Bewegung badge), as I said, I'll pop it onto the back-burner and wait for additional feedback, if any is forthcoming. It does seem, from what I've been reading, that the un-marked examples at least, do tend to carry more weight amongst the general crowd as being possibly period than the "B" marked ones...that much is certain at least. Appreciate your attentiveness to the thread all this time!Comment
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First one is a fake IMO, second one is a very nice original.
Regards, WimFreedom is not for FreeComment
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Thanks for your feedback Wim.Comment
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It is not some type, it is just broken one. That is mine to compare.Originally posted by Milton View Post
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