SA Military Sports Badges: Marine & Disabled

[jwburchell]

Seeking feedback and opinions on these two badges, please.

First, an SA Naval Sports Badge for Marine Units in the Silver Class. This badge is magnetic which I understand from my research on this forum to be correct for badges made and issued in the period from 1939-1944 with no serial number but maker-marking, which in this case is: "W. REDO / EIGENTUM D. OBERSTEN / S.A. FUHRUNG / SAAR - LAUTERN".
The difference on this badge is that, rather than the anchor being stamped as an integral part of the badge, an anchor has been affixed to the obverse by means of three rivets.

[jwburchell]

Reverse detail:

[jwburchell]

Second is an SA Military Sports Badge for Disabled / War Wounded in the Bronze Class and made of bronzed zinc; RZM and M1/100 marked (for Werner Redo, Saarlautern). Angolia states on page 243 of the updated edition in his book, "It appears that the badge was only produced by Deschler and Son of Munich."

[jwburchell]

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[Erich B.]

I would be skeptical of the Marine SA badge. There are only a few examples known, as it appears the idea for a specific seaport badge was dropped shortly after it was implemented (or it might have been done experimentally. If this assumption is correct, there should only be the first style MSA badges. Subsequently the MSA received the standard SA sport badge.
It's possible that an SA member had the anchor added by a jeweler as a memento/keepsake, as it's pretty nicely constructed, but IMO it can't be an actual award.
The member Gravedigga is the Sportbadge expert, and hopefully he will see and respond to this discussion.
Erich

[jules61]

Here there is an other example, but the anchor is not applied, is stamped with the badge!
Looks original to me!
Gian.

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[Erich B.]

This one is very close to an original, but IMO it's a copy. There are details to the front and reverse that are not the same as the few accepted originals that exist.
Erich

[Br. James]

I have never seen an SA Military Marine Sport Badge before, and I've been collecting them almost all my life! Nor have I seen written reference to such a badge! I am quite surprised to see these two examples -- which are obviously not identical -- and I have to wonder why these are new to me?!

Br. James

[Erich B.]

They were apparently only used for a short time before being replaced for the Marine SA by the standard SA Sport badge. There are photos in the Detlev books. I had one for a number of years but sold it a few years ago.
Erich

[Stan]

Marine SA badges did exist but I am skeptical about the ones shown so far on this thread.

A WAF member did have a wonderful original example which he sold to another WAF member in 2011.

Here is the thread:http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...arine+SA+badge

Stan

[Erich B.]

That's the one.
Erich

[Br. James]

Thanks for the heads-up regarding Detlev's catalog. The only edition of his catalog I have at hand is the 1999 issue; I have his expanded version in my library but, as I am in the process of moving, much of my library is now disorganized and in two different locations! The Marine SA Sport Badge is not listed in Detlev's 1999 catalog.

Since this badge only existed for a short time, it's interesting that both examples shown here have marked differences! When comparing with the example provided in the link from Stan, GraveDigga's piece and that provided by Gian below appear to be essentially identical in design, though Grave's piece was an award example of the Gold Grade while Gian's appears to be a private purchase example of the Silver Grade.

Br. James

[Erich B.]

These 2 are fakes. The only original presented here was the one now owned by
'Gravedigga'.
Erich

[munsongary]

SA Marine Sports Badges

I have been approached by a reputable European dealer who claims to have access to a silver SA Marine Sports Badge. I have not seen pictures yet, but will post here when received.

I have been collecting for 40+ years and have seen only 2 originals. A number of "seasoned" collectors have never seen one - and will even swear they do not exist.

However, as Gravedigga has proven, they were produced. While there is no documentation to support this statement, the issue number stamped on his badge would lead one to believe a few were produced and issued.

[Br. James]

Thanks, Erich. What encourages you to say that Gian's example is a fake? Both his Silver Grade piece and Grave's Gold Grade example were made by Schneider of Lüdenscheid and they appear essentially identical in design, and the Schneider firm must have created pieces to be dedicated to private purchase...

Br. James