Railway Eagle Out of Woodwork Opinions?

[ajs]

My words cannot express how much of a help and awesome place this forum is!
Many, many thanks to all who helped me here!

Any doubts about this bird are gone. This and some flags are coming from an estate of a US Pilot with 6 German kills supposedly! I will try to get his name! I am meeting the friend of the the vets family tonight

[Milindre]

"The eagle with three studs normally has the GAL-Mg (Si) abbreviation; those with four studs as GAL-Mg (Hy)"

This comment form Wilhelm Saris says it all.
The (hy) with four studs is what this bird is.
Can't picture a faker would even know that much less copy one with exactly those specs.
I see nothing wrong with this bird.

I'm not saying not original ... but you look at the initials MG . In 2 eagles are written with Mg and with 4 hooks with MG ... is hard to give a good opinion no examples in sight.

[ajs]

I agree can't seem to find an example with four posts and MG as apposed to Mg pictured.
I have to hope if it was not original it would have to look something like this.

[SNOOPY]

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I'm not saying not original ... but you look at the initials MG . In 2 eagles are written with Mg and with 4 hooks with MG ... is hard to give a good opinion no examples in sight.

I think I see what you are saying about the "g" being higher??
But lets not just focus on the marking.
I think if we take the entire bird for what it is and the making being 90% accurate from what we know, to me it's good.

[Jon Fish]

You need to ask JR, he is the go to guy on these

[mrec27777]

i don"t think it"s necessary to bother JR at this point ...this bird is original IMHO , i would buy it as such ,,, EC

[slados28]

I like the obverse detail but there are points that I do not like when it comes to the reverse.

All these have been touched upon earlier, such as the raised lower case g and the smooth "cut" of the top center bolt --- almost looks like a cast of a cut bolt, if not it must have been smoothed over for whatever reason after being cut.
The Rhein Metall stamp is also very weak/soft compared to the same stamp on originals... almost illegible--- the ones I am referring to were the Gal-Mg (SI) type though, so maybe there's some allowance for these discrepancies between the two types.

I can only say there are issues going by my own limited knowledge and that I, personally, would not be comfortable going after it as it stands right now...

[ajs]

Has anyone here ever seen or have a picture of a four stud (Hy) variant?

Do you think that a faker would go through the trouble to pick a odd maker then get the info to only use (Hy) with four studs then (Si) with three?

As said by snoopy and others this eagle is 90% correct from what we know, and to most it is okay.

[slados28]

I guess it's likely that it would have initially been cast/copied somehow from an original with those particular attributes anyway so that's entirely a moot point. No need to suddenly get defensive because people are giving their valid opinions... after all, wasn't it you who asked for these in the first place? People like being thorough... you know.... I don't see any problems with that.

Either way, I had a similar one looked at by Mr. Saris last year, incidentally images of this same one is posted here a few posts earlier, and even that one, with a lot sharper maker marks than this OP example, was labeled questionable due to the "soft"/weak appearance of the maker marks when compared to other originals... so, I left it alone. But, like I said, this might be something allowed for on this Hy variant --

So... if you like "90%" (even though it seems there's a 50/50 thing going on) then go for it, although I have a distinct feeling you already have due to your sudden indignant reaction to the opinions given here in good faith.

[ajs]

I did not mean to come off defensive I just wanted to put my input in. I wish we had a picture of an (Hy) variant to put things to rest.

I appreciate all feedback good and bad

[slados28]

No worries -- sometimes it's easy to think that way as many people really are only after positive feedback... if they hear something else they'll either attack, leave or stick their fingers in their ears and go; lalalalala

If it was me I would check with one of the experts mentioned as this admittedly seems to be a rarer variant that seemingly no one on this thread has handled before... I have only had the other more common variant vetted before and compared this to photos of originals supplied to me --- plus I've had two other types that I have since moved on, so I have some in hand experience and knowledge.

But, yeah... better to be safe than sorry imo! Good luck, hope it's a good one!

[ajs]

I ended up passing on it to much risk there. So hard to find anything nice or textbook out there anymore! Many many thanks to all who commented I could have been easily burned!

[ajs]

Update!

Hello Friends!

I do understand that the opinions on this piece where 50/50. I respect all opinions here about this piece, but I would like to share a bit of background info as I just got back from San Antonio after picking it up from Mr. Empeys family. After handling it personally I feel as though it is 100%, but this is my opinion only.

The eagle came from the estate of Colonel James William Empey. A WWII American fighter pilot ace. He obtained 6 German kills in a very short period of time! In addition to the eagle I got some pictures and documents of his estate. He was a freemason and also served in Vietnam in addition to WWII. You can google him for extra info, but I put a link to a San Antonio news article that was written after his death. I will be going back later this week to obtain some of his medals and fighter pilot gear.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/obituari...or-5022183.php

Hope all enjoy the history here!

Best, AJ

[ajs]

Within the depths of the archive section on Germanwarbooty.com I have found another 4 studed H(y. with the same marking raised g.

[mrec27777]

Within the depths of the archive section on Germanwarbooty.com I have found another 4 studed H(y. with the same marking raised g.

ORIGINAL!!! I REST MY CASE ... EC