Two NS Bread Plates - Cultural Items

[jabnus]

One example of the historical type of westphalian chests being the model for the developed DHW Jul chest is also pictured in this book - picture number 72 to be precise.

you realise this says farmersfurniture, right? Or is this finally the long awaited reply to proof your claim that every farmer was an SS man?

[jabnus]

The historical model is the so-called "Niederrheinische Stollentruhe", also due to it´s construction and carved decoration on the front side known as "Vierfeldertruhe" (four panel chest) - this type of historical german chest was mainly manufactured in Westphalia and there in the region near the Rhein - just exactly around the cities of Moers and also Düsseldorf!

SS-Obergruppenführer Weitzel as publisher of the SS family book was commander of Allgemeine SS and police in Düsseldorf - there we have the connection.

As visable within the carving this historical example is dated from 1784.

You can't believe that the colleting community will except this as proof that thus every chest with this design is an SS chest, right?

These chests with the same design have been around for CENTURIES before the SS even existed, Weitzel added in his family book himself that these chests should be treasured because they are GERMAN chests. Nothing more, nothing else. Nothing SS there, nothing NS there. Just that Germans should support their German culturalv heritage. What you try is to proof that every German cultural heritage item is thus an SS item. Can it get any wilder or crazier????? You making a lot of sound to support your far too right wing claim that every Germany wood or iron item EVER is an SS item. Even if it is much older than WWII.

there we have the connection.

Since you repeat the same nonsense again and again in every cultural topic, let me ask you something you have been asked before too: "are you on drugs"??? Reading this quote it can't be that you are not!!!!!

[jabnus]

Yes, both of my shown chests are indeed genuine DHW Jul chests and YES: There are individuals around who cannot handle this truth.

Aha! Now you try the approach again that if you can't get away with calling everything NS/SS, you call it now DHW!!!! Please proof how your chest is NOT from the 1800's and an specifically Original BY THE SS (heck, even DHW!) MADE CHEST??????

The onyl person who can't handle the truth is you. You know very very well how the truth is, but that truth doesn't sell you any common German wood items that can be found on every sunday fleamarket, on the e-stand and god where you sell these items outside the forum, where you link back to the forum and triumphantly shout: look WAF agrees with me! You can't proof anything Throsten, and every reply you make is wilder and crazier with claims as ever before.

Nonetheless the hunt continues and you will all remember this third period chest I shared - due to it´s significant decoration and symbolism via the used runes (Ingrune - Odalrune - Lebensrune - Totenrune) and also the masterly carved mother-child-medaillon in center I evaluate this one as being a representative SS family chest..

Yes Thorsten Beine, your hunt to fraud people continues, a thief never stops as he wants only more profit and steal from unaware people. We all remember that chest as well, we also remember that you have a woodshop were these photos were taken and we all remember the discussion in the old closed cultural thread in the SS section where you are banned to post again, that the runes on the chest are later added/carved. We also all remember the many plates you offered (hey, lets stay ontopic for a change, this is about plates and not your other items?) that were freshly carved as well.

We could also link back to your many (sold) tapestries that indeed as Thälmannpionier mentions are Always "just" slightly different

[jabnus]

beautiful examples. This should be its own thread.

Thorsten your theory on the origins of Weitzel's choice of chests based on proximity to that geographic area is quite interesting. I've been critical of you in the past but on these things I am starting to agree based on the totality of the evidence. Your rationale is is the type of critical thinking that must be done to examine the deeper meaning of these things.

Don, with all respect, i think you should do your homework first before praising Thorsten. Don't be blinded by nice looking German chests that have been in existence for centuries. Thorsten very well knows that most people outside Germany are not aware of these chest being in existence for so long, and as such he tries to claim them to be NS/SS. It doens't matter what region they are from in this discussion, it does not make them more of an NS/SS item. THEY ARE GERMAN CULTURAL ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR AGES!!!! It is definately not correct what Thorwten claims, as he structuraly forgets to mention here on the forum that period publications from before 1945 always mention that German's should be proud of their cultural heritage and thus these items too. That's it really. Even the by many beloeved Weitzel mentions this and nothing more in the SS family book. But Thorsten knows that that doens't make him more profit. So he trusts that people like you, who have an interest in these items because of their looks and because they collect SS and are always looking for the next spectacular item without doing too much research, and very importantly: who don't own most of those period publications he mentions AND who cant read German. All those people can, have been and are still, be fooled by him and frauded by their hard earned money. Reading your reply he's doing a great job again... As he Always says: Happy Collecting!

Your rationale is is the type of critical thinking

If you really think that, then we should definatly open up a new WAF section:

A SECTION FOR CRIMINALS TO LIE AND SELL FAKES and phantasy items ON PURPOSE!

You know, we could invite Snyder, Winkler and many others, you appear to be a fan, im sure many others who know not much about these items are fans too since Thorsten is still not banned, seeing how many fake items Thorsten Beine sold on the E-stand this would be a very succesfull forumsection!!!!

[jabnus]

Gaston
Please post some of the photos from period publications you mention and explain exactly how Thorsten's theory is flawed. Why is the notion that traditional chests were used to create DHW furniture problematic?

Yes i will, i will as soon as i have the time to go through my books and magazines, dig up several dozen of pictures from period pre-1945 publications, that show German folk items like furniture and what not. The very same items that Thorsten Beine stole money with from people on the e-stand and which he is now rightly so forbidden to sell anymore, but that are even in those publications being called nothing more or less as German folk items.

Why is the notion that traditional chests were used to create DHW furniture problematic?

Maybe because traditional chest are simply traditional chests??? Or are you one of the people who believes chests from 1850 are also SS chests? Maybe because many of the so called DHW items Thorsten posted here on the forum in countless messed up topics are not DHW at all?

Maybe because "Heimatkunst" (german folk items) were already immensly popular before Hitler ever arose to power and were in the years before he came to power massively made and are thus even today still relatively easy to find. Forget the DHW, it's just Thorsten trying to be creative with other names as he can't get away with calling everything SS anymore.

Remember: caveat emptor! Everyone is aware of this, in about every forumsection, only cultural collectors seem to have more money than brains and refuse to do their homework


Happy Collecting

[Thorsten B.]

...We all remember that chest as well, we also remember that you have a woodshop were these photos were taken and we all remember the discussion in the old closed cultural thread in the SS section where you are banned to post again, that the runes on the chest are later added/carved.

Your nonsense aside - here is the mentioned chest:

The runes are certainly NOT added later - the chest is in totally untouched original condition.

In fact it is a masterpiece and a period gem.

[Thorsten B.]

The treasure piece in detail

More detailed shots clearly reveal the unique beauty and outstanding period craftsmenship.

[Thorsten B.]

The center bearing the carved medaillon with mother and child - the core of the SS-family and SS-Sippengemeinschaft and of the Third Reich politics in general.

The runes are an integral part of the whole decorative concept and religious meaning and message of this chest - to honour and glorify the german mother.

[Thorsten B.]

And here is my second example I just aquired out of the family in northern Germany - the picture has been taken by the owner in his floor where the chest resided.

This one is bearing the year of the wedding "ANNO 1940" and the family crest in the middle of the lid.

[Steve T]

Orginally Posted by jabnus
...We all remember that chest as well, we also remember that you have a woodshop were these photos were taken and we all remember the discussion in the old closed cultural thread in the SS section where you are banned to post again, that the runes on the chest are later added/carved.

Your nonsense aside - here is the mentioned chest:

The runes are certainly NOT added later - the chest is in totally untouched original condition.

In fact it is a masterpiece and a period gem.

I remember it too, very nice chest and much better pictures than I've seen before.

So three of these exist to my knowledge now, the same piece in another members collection.

[Capt. R]

Yes i will, i will as soon as i have the time to go through my books and magazines, dig up several dozen of pictures from period pre-1945 publications, that show German folk items like furniture and what not. The very same items that Thorsten Beine stole money with from people on the e-stand and which he is now rightly so forbidden to sell anymore, but that are even in those publications being called nothing more or less as German folk items.



Maybe because traditional chest are simply traditional chests??? Or are you one of the people who believes chests from 1850 are also SS chests? Maybe because many of the so called DHW items Thorsten posted here on the forum in countless messed up topics are not DHW at all?

Maybe because "Heimatkunst" (german folk items) were already immensly popular before Hitler ever arose to power and were in the years before he came to power massively made and are thus even today still relatively easy to find. Forget the DHW, it's just Thorsten trying to be creative with other names as he can't get away with calling everything SS anymore.

Remember: caveat emptor! Everyone is aware of this, in about every forumsection, only cultural collectors seem to have more money than brains and refuse to do their homework


Happy Collecting

Gaston,
I feel like you are being particularly insulting to me for unknown reasons.

Even if these chests are very old, I think that they are well-suited to being used in the yule corner since they are shown in Weitzel.

And with all respect to you as a professor or a teacher or whatever... for your information from a previous post, you cannot prove a negative. Instead of asking Thorsten to "prove they are NOT from the 1880's" you should try introducing some evidence to refute how Thorsten's theories are incorrect instead of attacking only his character. It gets old. I am well aware that Thorsten sold repro taps to people as TR DHW products. This was either because he was ignorant of the fact they were repro'ed after WW2 or because he was being deceitful. And other so-called dealer-collectors did the same thing. So, that is over and I am willing to move on. I was the one harmed by it and I am willing to move on. That is my decision. Now, please, please educate me and help us understand more about your point of view and let's examine the evidence you are to share. I look forward to discussing these topics with you as you are very knowledgeable and always helpful.

[Minnesinger]

Hey T. same photos again and again???..its getting boring but if the Weitzel Book only shows this tiny image, what else to post right?! But the Weitzel image shows a different Tapestry than you have in your collection but as we have learned from you now...the Weitzel image shows type 1 DHW tapestry and yours is a type 2..correct?! or is it a early and a late war example..sounds better..

I know the chest he has shown in the past is different but missed the tapestry-part. What's the differences there?

[Minnesinger]

Disregard the above post Thälmannpioniere.

Another pretty close.

[Michael Fay]

back off

Gaston,
I feel like you are being particularly insulting to me for unknown reasons.

Even if these chests are very old, I think that they are well-suited to being used in the yule corner since they are shown in Weitzel.

And with all respect to you as a professor or a teacher or whatever... for your information from a previous post, you cannot prove a negative. Instead of asking Thorsten to "prove they are NOT from the 1880's" you should try introducing some evidence to refute how Thorsten's theories are incorrect instead of attacking only his character. It gets old. I am well aware that Thorsten sold repro taps to people as TR DHW products. This was either because he was ignorant of the fact they were repro'ed after WW2 or because he was being deceitful. And other so-called dealer-collectors did the same thing. So, that is over and I am willing to move on. I was the one harmed by it and I am willing to move on. That is my decision. Now, please, please educate me and help us understand more about your point of view and let's examine the evidence you are to share. I look forward to discussing these topics with you as you are very knowledgeable and always helpful.

WTF?
No on owes you anything-yet he as well as others (myself included)have tried to answer your questions for years. You think nothing of asking people to answer questions that can take days or more of labor to gather -and what do you give to WAF?
Gaston has already explained in detail what is the problem. And it has nothing to do with Thorstons previous fraud/frauds/and the ones you don't know about or act like you don't know....Gaston was not even on WAF back then-so back off of Gaston about that stuff.

If you want to use non SS furniture for a display do so-but desist from trying to imply thorstons furniture claims are true.
Seems like you drank thortons koolaid

[Jo Rivett]

Both the pictured chest and the Radkreuz (wheel wrench) are without ANY doubt period DHW products - in case of the Radkreuz it is directly mentioned and in case of the chest it is indirectly stated as well and can be determined via the context - and in addition to that via the different period DHW publications and period articles about the DHW and it´s products.

Radkreuz = wheel wrench? Lord, what dictionary are you using?
Rad simply means wheel does it not? and Kreuz simply mean cross, does it not? Why have you tried to sneak the word WRENCH into this? whats your game? You do know that "wrench" means a slutty old Lady, a dock maid, a hag, a brother-worker.......
Keep it simple Torsten, the Nazi`s invented the wheel - period - full stop - end of story. If a wagon wheel aint NAZI CULTURE then you had best believe that nothing is.