Berchtesgaden silverware

[Tom Piotro]

Need some help on this silverware.
I had a chance this weekend to look at some silverware proportally that was taken from Berchtesgaden area and possibly from the Eagle's nest.
I know the photo's are poor , flip camera phone. Excellent documentation for the 3rd Inf.Div. in the form of a scrap book with real photo's of the eagle's nest.
All pieces are 925 silver marked , the butter knife has Henckels trade mark on blade.
Anyone recognize this pattern? I will post more details when I find my notes which I miss placed.
Thank you in advance for the help.
Tom

[Tom Piotro]

one more photo

slightly better

[ErichS]

Sorry but not liking what I'm seeing so far.

[J. Wraith]

I am. Is that a raised eagle on the handles?. You need better photos as well as photos of the hallmarks nice and clear.

[Tom B]

Sorry but not liking what I'm seeing so far.

Can you elaborate please. Tom

[Tom Piotro]

Thanks for replies so far, as far as being real, I have no doubt about the pieces being WW2 vintage and correct.
The silver hallmark was the quarter moon like Bruckmann plus 925 and a bullseye at the end.
I don't recall if there was a crown as with Bruckmann , there was not the eagle type mark as in the Bruckmann hallmark.

When I find my note I will try to add more. I will try to get better photos but it might be a while.
Spoon 2nd from left is 8.250 inches for reference.
It is a raised eagle .
Tom

[ErichS]

Might be the poor pics but not likely connected to Hitler.

[Obersalzberg]

Schloss Klessheim

[Tom Piotro]

Erich,
The photo are crap but all I had was my flip phone.
The scrap book and photos that were with group were absolutely legit.
I did tell them that "in my opinion" these pieces could have come from any number of places in the area, most likely
not from the eagles nest.

I explained it as the area being like Washington DC with diplomats needing to be wined and dined in any number of hotels or gatherings. All needing official type silverware.

Tom

[J. Wraith]

Schloss Klessheim

How many patterns are attributed to Klessheim now? 2-3. Not for nothing but most of this stuff is identified in dated reference material followed by regurgitated reference material. Most of it is unknown or misplaced or misidentified, or flat out fake. .925 silver with political eagles seem more suited for a personality but without established provenance on the pattern I don't see how to call it. Are you using a reference to come to this?.

[Br. James]

Hi Tom,

Very nice pieces indeed! According to James A Yannes' "The Encyclopedia of Third Reich Tableware" (Trafford Publishing, 2013), the six-piece set you show us is from a service made by Gebrueder Sauerland of Berlin, for Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop. It is unfortunate that there were no knives collected with this sampling; the knife you show is, of course, not from the same service. While it may be a 'butter knife' for an individual setting, it is not possible to identify it any further without clearer and closeup photos.

Hope this is helpful to you. Cheers,

Br. James

[Knight_ridergta]

James hit the nail on the head, Von Ribbentrop indeed,

Hi Tom,

Very nice pieces indeed! According to James A Yannes' "The Encyclopedia of Third Reich Tableware" (Trafford Publishing, 2013), the six-piece set you show us is from a service made by Gebrueder Sauerland of Berlin, for Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop. It is unfortunate that there were no knives collected with this sampling; the knife you show is, of course, not from the same service. While it may be a 'butter knife' for an individual setting, it is not possible to identify it any further without clearer and closeup photos.

Hope this is helpful to you. Cheers,

Br. James

[J. Wraith]

Hi Tom,

Very nice pieces indeed! According to James A Yannes' "The Encyclopedia of Third Reich Tableware" (Trafford Publishing, 2013), the six-piece set you show us is from a service made by Gebrueder Sauerland of Berlin, for Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop. It is unfortunate that there were no knives collected with this sampling; the knife you show is, of course, not from the same service. While it may be a 'butter knife' for an individual setting, it is not possible to identify it any further without clearer and closeup photos.

Hope this is helpful to you. Cheers,

Br. James

Von Ribbentrop had his own pattern, who does Yannes source to identify these as his?.

[RR1]

There is also another very similar set to this which is attributed to Von Ribbentrop but only silver plated as opposed to 925. It was also made by Bruckmann and has the "BRUCKMANN 90" stamp.

[CPB]

Tom P - any chance we could see the 3rd Division photos and scrapbook?