German Eagle order (silver) for review

[scotty1418]

This one seems to have decent detail and correct attachment. What do you guys think?

Finish seems a little funky...

Thanks!

[marisca lrommel]

Initially, at a glance, the medal seems real but there are several details that I do not like:

1 - The first ribbon Medal and a medal in bronze version is from the period 1943-1945 silver version but manufactured in zinc.

2 - Seems to not have marking in the ring when it normally needs to show the 30 mark, although this does not always happen.

3-Do not just liking those defects between the letters and the form of that "E" which seems badly coined or split.

4 - The color of the ring, in the case of being a medal version silver with the ribbon of a medal should be silver and your medal is bronze color version bronze,.

I can not make it 100% but for me, it is a medal false... a fake

You can ask for more opinions but I do not I just like...

[tgn]

Is this not a bronze version with all the finish gone due to the pot metal base?

Tom

[marisca lrommel]

Is this not a bronze version with all the finish gone due to the pot metal base?

Tom

If you look closely, it is silver plated. A medal version bronze, with lost bronze bath, would look like this:

[scotty1418]

Sounds like that seals the deal.

Appreciate the solid analysis!

[scotty1418]

Finally got an in-hands look as part of the group - before I sell it as a copy I just wanted to double check - The ring has what appears to be a jewelers mark of a "30" or "50". were originals # stamped on the ring?

Is the ribbon attachment system looking bad? Are the medal details poor?

Thanks!

[marisca lrommel]

30 in the ring is the correct manufacturer marking (Godet), which makes me think that it may be original, but in this case, I am inclined to think that he is a version Medal Silver with ring and ribbon of a version medal bronze.

A medal in bronze can not show remains of bath in silver as his shows.

This is why I think that your medal is a silver with the wrong ribbon version or is a ribbon and ring originals and a non-genuine medal added after original that ribbon and ring.

Details seem to be correct but I have doubt in the details that told him earlier in the legend on the back (DEUTSCHE VERDIENSTMEDAILLE)

[scotty1418]

Appreciate the analysis so far. I've taken some more closeups - I think in the initial picture some of what looks like 'bubbling' is simply a break in the finish.

I'd appreciate other thoughts if others have an opinion!

Also, I'm considering placing on the estand, whether a verdict of good/bad, could I get an idea of rough values?

Thanks!

[Patrick W]

This is an original bronze medal in zinc that has faded down not a silver one. The finish can deteriorate in many ways depending on quality of base metal and environment. That is a totally original medal.

[marisca lrommel]

These latest images are very explanatory. The medal is original but I still think that medal shows remains of bath in silver or that looks for images.

[Ron Weinand]

A Bronze medal that has discolored due to Zn base. The bronze coat was applied over the Zn metal and what you see is where the coating has flaked off the base and this makes it look to have been silver plated, but not.