SA VGAD tabs good?

[Erik]

These look good to me, but I would like some opinions.

Thanks in advance,

Erik

[sgstandard]

Tabs

The SA roundel is probably ok, and the RZM tag looks real, but I have the feeling that the tabs were made post-war to accomodate the badge, with the RZM tag thrown for good measure. No warm, fuzzy feelings on this set.
I'm curious what others say. Also, not that many SA tabs were sewn with the extra thread on the back, since the stiffener glue also served to glue the wool to the backing.

[Erik]

Thanks, interesting points sgstandard. I have some good SS tabs but I am new to SA tabs which I think is a very interesting field on its own.
Also curious about other opinions.

Erik

[Erich B.]

I agree--I don't particularly like the backing material (it looks like a type I've seen behind reproduction SS tabs) or the wool. It doesn't look smooth enough for an SA tab. The sewing of the rear doesn't bother me as IMO there were tabs with sewn reinforcing as well as without.
Erich

[sgstandard]

Tabs

My EXACT thoughts - looks like backing on fake SS tabs. That extra reinforcement thread wouldn't bother me if everything else looked good. I own about 35 SA tabs, and only one of them has reinforcement thread.

[Dmv]

I have seen several metal devices in the past years, but never a complete tab.
I'm with above opinions for the reasons stated.

[Erik]

Many thanks for the opinions guys. Very helpfull.

Erik

[echoe]

vgad

vgad - Der SA Fuhrer magazine mentions red tabs. fotos show darker color tabs being worn at funeral

[Erik]

Very interesting! Thanks for posting!

Erik

[Dmv]

Echoe, could you post a photo of the back?

[wilhelm Saris]

In an article (pitily I do not know from what magazine, but it was from early September 1939) about the coorporation of the SA during the "setting free" from Danzig in 1939, these men were combined into the Verstärkter Grenzaufsichtsdienst. It was noted:
in the earliest days the men served, wearing their regular brown-shirt. Instead of this a greenish uniform with collar patches was worn. These collar patches had the color for the SA-group, being red. At the right collar patch the SA civil-symbol, but slightly larger, was worn. At the lower left arm an SS-like cuffband was worn with the indication"Grenzwache".
In the book "Danzig - deine SA" from Hans Sponholz from 1940 it is noted the civil symbol had a diameter of 3.0 cm. The German text is as: "Die äuszerliche Kennzeichnung der VGAD-Angehörigen erfolgt derart, dass ihnen das Tragen eines etwa 3.0 cm grossen SA-Zivilabzeichen am rechten Kragenspiegel statt der Einheitsbezeichnung zugebilligt wird".

One should note the exact color for Ostland was wine-red and not bright red. Danzig was in the earlier years located at Ostland and in about 1940 however located at Weichsel, which used blue-grey. Maybe regular red was used for the VGAD. This color anyway was in use at the SA-Gruppenschulen. I do not know where such a school was located at Weichsel. In Ostland such school was located at Neubartelsdorf.

With the article a photograph was included from August 29 from a funeral at Zoppot-Steinfliess where the SA-Mann Johann Rusch had died. The both man flanking the DE for "Weichsel" did wear the VGAD-uniform with the proper collar-patches with SA symbol.

[echoe]

Vgad

Here is the reverse. this tab has been in US collections since the early 1970's when Maj. Terry Carlson had it. It then found its way to Wolfe-Hardin. The article Wim mentions is from the SA-Fuhrer magazine. It does specify a red background to the tabs but in the accompanying photograph opposite it shows SA men at the funeral Wim mentions in four-pocket tunics wearing the SA device on what appear to be a backing of black or another much darker color. I have seen these tabs on black as well as red (most often black). Also owned one on a blue-grey, ribbed backing material in the 1980's. This pair (blue-grey) appeared to be "humped up" to me.

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[Erich B.]

Here are the photos referenced above.
Erich

[Dmv]

Attachment methods

Interesting to see that Echoe's tab has pointed prongs, stamped out with the badge, in one piece, as also seen on late war eagles etc.

On Weitze's we can't see the prongs if they are there?

and I found this version with soldered prongs on the net.

All Original versions? Or have these been reproduced?

[Dmv]

And as a waterfind, from thread http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=463066

Notice RZM markings on the back, vertical attachment of prongs, cut more slant.