Nuremberg Eagle...?

[eddieJ]

Hello all,

I was thinking of bidding for this desk eagle.

http://www.warstuff.com/WW2-NAZI-DES...E-i1552118.htm

What do you think?

Thanks for any comments.

[Military]

The details just don't seem right. Compare to other known examples on the forum.
I find that the body should protrude a bit more; and the beak sharper.

Mil

[mloppkit]

Hi Mil,

With all due respect, I believe that this eagle is fine. The RZM 3/100 mark seems to match your Nuremberg Trophy Eagle on a high base with the wreath.
Remember that this eagle that Eddie is asking about is absolutely tiny- wingspan of only 3 inches, it is expected that it will have small differences to your full size version. The detail seems very good compared to the fakes of these that I see and in fact I have never seen this size eagle faked at all and the wear seems absolutely consistent with what I would expect for a 70 year old desk ornament. I would have no hesitation buying it myself if not for the fact that I would need a magnifying glass to see it as it is so small- but I do have an original luftwaffe desk eagle this size and have seen other original eagles similar to this and know that eagles this size were made & sold during the Third Reich period,

Best Regards,
Michael

[J. Wraith]

Hi Mil,

With all due respect, I believe that this eagle is fine. The RZM 3/100 mark seems to match your Nuremberg Trophy Eagle on a high base with the wreath.
Remember that this eagle that Eddie is asking about is absolutely tiny- wingspan of only 3 inches, it is expected that it will have small differences to your full size version. The detail seems very good compared to the fakes of these that I see and in fact I have never seen this size eagle faked at all and the wear seems absolutely consistent with what I would expect for a 70 year old desk ornament. I would have no hesitation buying it myself if not for the fact that I would need a magnifying glass to see it as it is so small- but I do have an original luftwaffe desk eagle this size and have seen other original eagles similar to this and know that eagles this size were made & sold during the Third Reich period,

Best Regards,
Michael

You may very well be right, I do not think that is the original base though and one of those birds where if you want to be sure you would have to pull it off the base. Bird itself does look o.k from here.

[Br. James]

Just a passing thought: the RZM logo looks out of proportion to me, but that may just be due to the small size of the piece.

Br. James

[eddieJ]

I've put a bid in and I'm waiting to see if it's accepted.

I really appreciate your opinions...cheers.

eddie

[rlimike]

I checked and it says the auction is closed ... someone must have made a good offer.

[shaneos3]

Nice original eagle,
The RZM logo looks as it should on RZM M3/100 eagles, hopefully we get some better photos though.

[TxGauleiter]

Hi Mil,

With all due respect, I believe that this eagle is fine,

Best Regards,
Michael

Michael,
this member is not recognized as an authority on any subject that we study here..
the majority of his opinions are refuted by the more learned among us.

if you are on the opposite side of his opinions you're usually safe

[Military]

Here's some screen shots of the desk eagle being discussed.
Take note of the details.

[Military]

Image below also from the same desk piece being discussed.

[Military]

I am posting two eagles from the same maker M3/100 with two variations. The first has a protruding maker mark and the second showing an embossed maker mark.

[Military]

Second variation with engraved / recessed maker mark

[Military]

Now, compare the details. Look at the leaf laurels and see how detailed real originals are where the leaf veins show.
Well some may argue that the die may be worn on the example being discussed, but I highly doubt so.

I also don't like the quality of the base (the grade of stone). These were high quality pieces of art. Again some may argue that the photos were not well taken and thus did not show the artefact in its full glory.

Original examples also have extremely good details to the face and beak. The example being discussed could be possibly corroded or very worn off.

Mil

[shaneos3]

Mil,
Thanks for posting the photos of your M3/100 eagle. You have proved that the makers mark on the Eagle in question is identical to your eagle with the protruding makers mark. You say [/QUOTE] I also don't like the quality of the base (the grade of stone). [/QUOTE] These were high quality pieces of art. Again some may argue that the photos were not well taken and thus did not show the artefact in its full glory. /QUOTE]

This is INCORRECT, the smaller of these eagles were NOT awarded pieces but souvenir pieces and the quality of this piece is completely consistent with other period eagles of this size. Comparing your Full-Size awarded eagles with this souvenir eagle and claiming that they are not identical is not a valid comparison. Of course they are not the same. Read the first post carefully as well as Mloppkit's reply- This eagle is a miniature version of the full size eagle. The quality of this miniature eagle is excelent compared to the fakes out there and thanks to your photos, you have shown that the makers mark font is also identical- right down to the curved serif slope on the number '1' . The construction and detail is consistent with every other original Nuremberg eagle OF THIS SIZE that I have seen over the years. Yes, I have studied these Nuremberg eagles in various sizes intently and have a couple myself and can honestly and confidently say that this an original eagle,
Cheers,
Shaneos