Swastica found in WW-II in the Netherlands

[gelderenj]

Who can determinate the swastika on the photo’s below? The MP40 magazine and 9mm para cartridge are only displayed to give you an idea of the dimensions.



It has no signs of rust, only some small black (not brown) spots. I don’t think its made of silver but I’m sure it’s also not made of zinc. It made of an alloy with a lot of nickel or chrome a guess.

My father, who’s now 86 years old, found it as young boy, on the streets of Dordrecht, a Dutch city about 30 km of Rotterdam. As a guns and ammo collector and shooter I know very less about awards and uniforms. What is it? It looks like a sort of push button. Is it a part of a medal?

For us it’s a secret we are still curious about. If it’s possible it would be superb if something could be said of to which army unit it has belonged too.

[dagoromagna]

Seems a jacket pin for a member of the Dutch Nazi Party.
Did the Dutch SS have a plain swastika on their caps?

[andrea]

Hi gelderenj, im agree with Dogo, it is a Nsdap "supporter" or member pin, to dress also on civil coat, not an award or army unit pin.
I believe it is not stainless steel material , usually is iron ( you can check it with a magnet), if it is stainless ,was probably done by a jeweler.
Anyway, due to was found by your Father it is a fine Third Reich period item, and collectible.
Regard
Andrea

[gelderenj]

Seems a jacket pin for a member of the Dutch Nazi Party.
Did the Dutch SS have a plain swastika on their caps?

Andrea, Dogo,

Thank you for your responses.

OK, a NSDAP (or possibly NSB when it concerns the Dutch branch?) member pin. Is it likely that a German trooper bears it on his uniform or was this unusual and strictly for civilians?

Are there any photo’s of that period on which this swastika can be seen on the clothing? That would be very nice.

[juoneen]

I have an almost identical stick pin , and think they were worn by ay TR sympathisers, no matter where they are from....also have a gold 9ct version that has a gold mark from 1920 in england , as even there , britts were sympathetic to the nazi ideals as the dap changed from 1919 to the nsdap in 1920. I even have neck swastika charms made by the german companys , and are shown in their catalogues I have gotten from vets they liberated , and then found them in the books, so I would assume this one would have no makers marks, except maybe the screwback keeper , and is likely not plated gold ,if you says it is not a gold color, but it is possible to have been real gold plate ,and maybe worn but real gold is usually marked . Just like many wings and american badges made of silver during the war were not marked with a silver mark, when others were, so one cannot always assume . I would not test it though as if it is plated it will destroy a small spot where the acid touches if plated, and best to leave it as it is....many times the smell test is sufficient , as gold will have no odor, and plated items will have a smell the olfactory senses can detect. I will see if i can find the photos if you wanna compare the stickpin to your screwback, as now looking at it compared to the 9mm cartridge is somewhere in size ,between the two I am showing.Its a great find anyway, and finding things yourself makes it even better, and if it were me, I would go back where it was located and search with a metal.detector.



Photo gives an idea of size, the larger swas is around 25.5mm, and the stickpin smaller in contrast possibly around 6mm or there abouts. I do not believe you mentioned your screwback swastikas dimentions .

[andrea]

Andrea, Dogo,

Thank you for your responses.

OK, a NSDAP (or possibly NSB when it concerns the Dutch branch?) member pin. Is it likely that a German trooper bears it on his uniform or was this unusual and strictly for civilians?

Are there any photo’s of that period on which this swastika can be seen on the clothing? That would be very nice.

Im sure Juoneen will help you,and I know he is one of the best here!

My opinion is that almost impossibile on to find it on wermacht uniform, strictly civilian or political organization.
I think you can post also post it and make a research on Waf photo forum,sure someone will help you.
Regards Andrea

[sjl]

The 1920 swastika is not related to the NSDAP. It was a good luck charm.

[Br. James]

I must agree with Stephen here. As I understand it, Hitler created the swastika as a symbol/logo for the DAP in 1920, and as we see from many photos from the early 1920s, the more predominant visual expression of the swaz of those early times is of the static or flat-sided design such as seen on the banners and eagle tops of DE Standards, painted onto the front or sides of WWI/Freikorps helmets, etc. The earliest flags often showed the swaz in its static format. The Blood Banner, which was apparently newly-made for the Munich SA detachment in late 1923, featured a canted or tilted swaz, and this style seems to have taken off in terms of usage by the reorganization of the NSDAP in early 1925. Eventually, by the later 1920s and certainly by the time of the '29 RPT and Hitler's major political campaigning, the proportions of the swaz had finally been set, relating the symbol itself -- in a now-established description of thickness and arm length percentages -- to the white disc and the red field. Both examples of the swaz as provided by Juoneen and originally by Gelderenj appear to me to exhibit the proportions of the NSDAP swaz from the 1930s and later...though Juoneen's examples are apparently not German but English in origin. Just some thoughts...

Br. James

[byterock]

I agree the the gold 1920 swas is a charm bracelet item and nothing to do with the NAZIs.

An easy thing to do. Flip the charm backwards and presto-changeo a rare Nazi relic worth much more than a 1920s art-deco charm.


The original pin could be as well as the Dutch Nazis did not use the swaz.

A good site to find similar Items

http://reclaimtheswastika.tumblr.com...uckbelt-buckle

[NickG]

I have an identical golden (14K?) jewelry swastika, which I guess would/could be a pre-TR good luck charm.
The person I got it from (for free) told me it was found in The Netherlands in the 1980's when a roof repair was done...
Hidden away after the war...Who knows...

[toadboy65]

Swastika as fashion

This is Clara Bow, who was never a nazi.

[juoneen]

It's interesting to try and figure out much of the differences between early possibly socialistic swastikas, and just swastika jewelry items....I don't think anything 14k would pertain , as european silver and gold marks differ from the united states type marked items, although there was an american nazi party as well as english, and austrain, cz and other sympathizers.

I want to show the marks for the record for future reference regardless of mine or others opinions.Sometimes we find items make more sense down the road , than sometimes at the times posted.So I will let the chips fall as they may. We may never know if english manufacturers made things like this for the germans before they were geared up to make items for themselves especially in gold . This is marked with makers mark of the year, 9 for 9ct, 375 for same mark and the london mark of the leopards head.

[juoneen]

Here is an actual nazi neck chain charm found in many catalogues