Early Blood Order 1st pattern with scr.No.

[magnusmilitaria]

Hello!

I get this photos of beautiful 1st pattern Blood Order.
Order looks an fine early example but some one want to delite serial No. ,because have scratches on the serial number on back side. Maybe family from the carrier, who knows..?
Scratches up or down serial No is still visible 320.

Fried Wilhelm
Bund Oberland
Bataillon Teja
Radfahrer Kp.
Blutorden Nr. 320

Owner of this Blood Order will like to sell / trade it and I think that this will not be a problem because is still nice, rare and wanted order.
Best Regards
Mark

[ErichS]

An interesting BO that would need the right collector home due to the damage. Also, the ribbon looks to be a reproduction.

[jabnus]

Indeed still nice and yes the ribbon is not good, finding an original replacement ribbon would not be that easy too. Still an original BO

I'd get it for the right price if i were you!

best regards,
Gaston


ps: you're trying to give Jon competition in gathering as many as possible in one year?

[magnusmilitaria]

An interesting BO that would need the right collector home due to the damage. Also, the ribbon looks to be a reproduction.

Erich, ribbon is original from period but for eaven more rare German order and not tipical ribbon for BO. Good eye! Very similar to Blood Order ribbon which have end line white. one photo for compare ribbons. Very similar and maybe replaced.





p.s. I get several messages for BO, if is someone interested I can give him all informations about the seller and price magnusmilitaria@gmail.com

[JoeW]

Very interesting piece. And a great covert method of running advertisements in the discussion forum.

[Br. James]

Yes, a very nice piece, Mark, though I'm not sure of the scratched-out number. Looks more like 399 to me, or 309...

Br. James

[magnusmilitaria]

ps: you're trying to give Jon competition in gathering as many as possible in one year?

Far away from that, Jon is my collector friend and professional BO collector, I need just two for collection one 1st and one 2nd pattern and thats it. and of course upgrading if I get bether one day.
Mark

[jabnus]

Hi Mark,

Of course i was only kidding, Jon is really the man on BO, but you are doing very well yourself. Just took another look at your political collection at the Historical War Militaria Forum, your number 61 is a very very nice first type.


In my opinion ANY BO is worth getting, damaged or not. All of them are historical pieces with their own story and since a first type can be linked to a name and is thus more researchable it is always - no matter the condition - very desirable!


Regarding the ribbon, as a medal collector i often don't mind damaged or (well) worn ribbons (often even prefer them!), but even more so than any award a BO just needs an original ribbon. I doubt many collectors would not mind this ribbon on it. But somethimes original ribbons pop up.


Br. James, like you im trying to look at the number, but the second number seems to clearly have the under-line remnants of a "2". The 0 at the end is the hardest to see, but maybe in hand this is more clearer. Im sure Mark has done his homework before posting.

[Jon Fish]

I have looked at these images for a couple of days now. I would love it to be #380 as I own that document, but without having it in hand under a x20 magnification loop I won't commit to the number although it does look possible to be #320.
I do feel it is an original medal but as already stated the ribbon is a forgery and sewn in the period style to look period. This sets alarm bells ringing to me for the rest of the piece. Look closely at the top suspension loop on the front and you will see what appears to be a brake/split,also the suspension ring is welded shut,usually period rings are open[there are exceptions of course where the original owner might have done so to make it safer]
Then the more I look I see what look like casting marks, that worries me. It might just be the pictures as they are low resolution. Certainly flaws that you would expect to see are present. The number area has been brutalised and I wonder why so badly and not just the number removed? could it indeed be an attempt to remove the dubious fonts completely?
I'm not saying this is a fake medal, If I had to decide on those pictures I would say original, but at over 4000€ still it is a medal that I would not buy given its problems and I would certainly want a hands on inspection.
Jon

[magnusmilitaria]

Like my friend Jon said original 1st type Blood order but with scratches on serial No. Owner have also a fair price 50% off and for some seller who dont care for dents is a super chance to get it.You can find a few 2nd pattern on the market but 1st pattern not so easy!i payed for mine more than double price.
Still nice rare BO
Regards
Mark

[jabnus]

Actually Jon says something else... (as always the sharp eye!), i guess i was a bit too much distracted by the scratching. But if this one turn out to be fake... holy crap, i don't dare to get a first type anymore without very good provenance one On the other hand, one should not easily get a BO and always inspect in hand on forehand!

Regarding the highlighted red areas, Weitze recently (few months ago) had another BO that had suspicious markings on the edge as well (i didn't save the pics ), i believe it was a second type, those were much more obvious than here, anyone seen that one go and had soem thoughts on it?

regards,
Gaston

[magnusmilitaria]

Agree, near for all material hand inspection must be done before buying.
Jon told me that this is no doubt original example , only what is wrong here is still too hi price...

[Jon Fish]

Actually Jon says something else... (as always the sharp eye!), i guess i was a bit too much distracted by the scratching. But if this one turn out to be fake... holy crap, i don't dare to get a first type anymore without very good provenance one On the other hand, one should not easily get a BO and always inspect in hand on forehand!

Regarding the highlighted red areas, Weitze recently (few months ago) had another BO that had suspicious markings on the edge as well (i didn't save the pics ), i believe it was a second type, those were much more obvious than here, anyone seen that one go and had soem thoughts on it?

regards,
Gaston

Gaston, if you refer to the highlited area here in green then that is no problem
Yes I think its probably real but I would not pay over 4k for it, as for a little more you could get a nice undamaged 2nd pattern medal.This one will always need upgrading and if you go to sell again then you will have problems. I don't know what the ribbon is but its not for a Blood Order.
Take the SS TK ring for instance- when the name is scrubbed out the ring is worth 1000-2500 and when the name is inside maybe 4000-10,000 so here even 50% off the usual price is still too much, In my opinion, but its up to the buyer to decide of course.

[Military]

My frank opinion is to buy a piece that's within your comfort zone and you can sleep soundly at night.

Mil

[Minnesinger]

I can't shake the feeling I've seen this one before. But where... Detlev?