SA shirt breeches boots.

[notton]

Hello all,
I have found these three SA pieces this afternoon.Shirt, breeches in bad shape and boots.The shirt doe'snt have any piping neither shoulder board. Maybe an early shirt ?Are they missing or is it a normal thing ?I need your opinions.

Thank you in advance.
Notton











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[sgstandard]

Outfit

I think it was a stripped shirt with those collar tabs added. The shoulder seam looks disturbed, and there appears to be a hole where there was a shoulderboard button. Tell us if I'm wrong. The collar tab material is certainly very irregular, but the embroidery suggest they may be real. If authentic, they must be extremely early manufacture. If you DO take them off the shirt, please send closeup pics of the back of them, and the experts here can tell you if they're authentic. Building up the shirt with the existing collar tabs would be almost impossible, because the shirt would need bi-color collar piping. Pre-1933 brownshirts were worn without a shoulderboard. Unless one of the experts here disagrees, I'd take the tabs off and either keep 'em or sell 'em separately.

[notton]

Thank You SGstandard!

[Br. James]

I like sgstandard's direction of thinking through what we are looking at here, as well as what this SA-Traditions Brown Shirt has lost and gained over the years. The breeches and the boots look fine to me, both appearing to be representative of the pre-RZM days of the early 1930s. The basic Brown Shirt too appears to be from that same era and is probably missing the right shoulder board as well as the brassard, and probably the collar piping, as well. The tabs appear to be replacements, as sgstandard noticed. So what do we have here? An SA uniform from the early 1930s that has been modified for whatever reason -- we see this condition described as "being played with." Left as it is, it is both incomplete and bearing tabs that were probably sewn on well after the time this uniform would have been in use. So, as it is, this uniform -- at least the Brown Shirt -- is not representative of the period in which it was made and, as such and in my opinion, would not make an acceptable addition to a serious collection. To buy such a piece with the intention to re-do it back to its original state would be to further contribute to the questionable condition the piece is in now, and would probably not enhance its re-sale value.

The breeches and the boots are certainly desirable. Most SA-Traditions Brown Shirts are seen as individual pieces; even the kepi is often absent, as is the belt, buckle and cross-strap. If one were considering purchasing this set at a low enough price that the breeches and boots could be separated and added to another Brown Shirt -- a complete one -- without losing a lot of money by deleting the Brown Shirt as it is with this set, then that may be a good investment. The incomplete Brown Shirt could be sold at a low enough price so as to not lose on the overall deal, and the addition of the breeches and boots to a different Brown Shirt could significantly enhance the new set...especially if you added a kepi, belt and buckle, cross strap and M-33 SA dagger and hanger.

Just some thoughts; hope they are helpful!

Br. James

[sgstandard]

Outfit

Good assessment on the brownshirt. Note: The advice to buy an original brownshirt is sound, but even many of them are post-war assembled. Finding completely original brownshirts is tough, but they are around. I personally see nothing wrong with assembling a shirt with parts, considering scarcity, but unfortunately, later on, someone buys it as original. As for sets, remember - the chances of the shirt, breeches, and boots coming from the same SA Man are slim and none. You occasionally see complete named sets from high-ranking individuals, but most sets are put-togethers. I'd take those collar tabs off, photograph them with closeups, (front and back), post the pics here, and you may find you have some rare early tabs worth the cost of the shirt alone.

[notton]

Thank you Gentlemen for your input I appreciate.
Actually, I bought all pieces at a huge flee market in Leipzig. This flee market is on the last week- end of every month and is the biggest one in Germany. People who are selling stuff are coming from all part of Saxony , Thuringen and Saxony-Anhalt.I have bouhght all those things plus belt, buckle and strap to the same guy.The guy was selling all kind of stuff like porcelain ,books, papers ect.
It is also true that, on this flee market you can find a lot of junk things from the" Drittes Reich" sold by some unscrupulous dealers, but sometimes you can find some incredible things which appear and if you there at the right time at the right place you can make good business.
I really don't know if the shirt was rebuilt or not and I think it's very difficult to say yes or no and above all I am not an expert in stitching and I can't determine if the tabs was stitched last week or 70 years ago .
i think you are surely right when you say that original SA shirt with original sewn insignia are absolutly scarce.
In the other hand ,I think I am not going to take off the tab from the shirt,leave the shirt as it is was found and keep in mind the probability that the tab being original sewn as something real.I am probably wrong but I prefere this opportunity
Anyway, Thank You again for your comments I really appreciate your thoughts.
All the best,Notton