Can I please have the Forums opinion on these cufflinks . Supposedly they belonged to Hermann Goering . Are they legitimate and what is a reasonable value for them? These are the only pics available . Thanks.
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Very impressive, I must say! These cufflinks would appear to be just the thing that Hermann Göring would have worn. This personal crest design appears in a video website I came upon when I Googled "Hermann Goering Family Crest," so this particular design seems to be known to others. The design is obviously meant to impress; it includes his titles as Reichsmarshall and Minister President of Prussia, and also features his Pour le Mérite at the very bottom of the design, as well as the contents of his family crest, thereby making it unique to him. One would expect such regal cufflinks to be executed in solid gold, and perhaps that is indicated in the hallmarks on the reverse. I am no expert in such hallmarks, though I hope others here can add to that facet of information. And perhaps the quality of the photos is not as sharp as one would hope for, as the details of the carved design seem to be a bit fuzzy -- like one would get if one made a casting of an original piece.
Br. JamesComment
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585 stamp should indicate gold content in per mill.
Why would his name and titles be mentioned ?Comment
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hate to say it but they look crappy and cheap. Show a good close up of the hallmarks.. Zeitner marks have ben faked a long time.. IF they are cast in they are bad period............Comment
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I agree with gaspare here..looks cast from the photos or lets say, it doesnt
look like a fine custom made jewelers piece..but if real, it should looks
like such jewelers made piece..the hallmarks do not look like german hallmarks from the photos either..Comment
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Would Goring have his name on his own cufflinks, as in H Goring?Comment
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This is a reproduction made in early 70s. The same people also made reproductions of the famous Hermann Göring signet ring. This one is probably made in 14K gold.
Chris Obermeyer.Comment
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Looks like the design that was on set of Hermann's dinnerware, but do not have the photo's of it.
KrisComment
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Dear Craig,
The 'proof of the pudding' in this situation would be the provenance provided by the seller -- I assume you are inquiring about this set because it is up for sale somewhere in the world. If this pair of cufflinks was genuine, it may well be a one-of-a-kind item, created either at Göring's personal direction or as a gift for him from Emmy (the use of the title 'Reichsmarshall' indicates mid-1940 or later and Hermann married Emmy in 1935) or one of his close associates. The jeweler who cut this coat of arms may only have made one set, so sharpness of detail is of primary importance. And indeed, if this pair is genuine, it would certainly come with a very high pricetag...and so it should. So where has this set been until now, and is that believable?
Chris Obermeyer makes a strong point; this would not be the first time phony pieces of Göring jewelry have been offered for sale. So again, provenance.
Andreas raises the question of why his name and titles would be found in such a design; I think this may be because it was intended to be a personal coat of arms, incorporating his family crest and expanding upon it. While crests often do not include even the family name, personal arms often do. Another coat of arms includes "H" and "G" together with the stag with a swastika between its antlers -- a design indicating Göring's title as Master of the Hunt -- and here again, this design may have been executed as a gift from someone with those interests.
So my question is: what is the provenance for this set being genuine?
Br. JamesComment
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I believe the story is that this set came from a "supposed" huge lot with plenty of jewelry from Stuttgart. Including from what i recall, highly suspicious SS rings and other jewelry.Originally posted by Br. James View Post
They have really been going around, at certain point they were offered by Andreas Thies some years ago, they did not get any bid's on his auction. These have been for sale for a long time at a rather "acceptable" price if they in fact belonged to the Reichsmarschall, although i have my doubts.
When handling Göring material, one should expect the highest possible quality. And these does look a bit sloppy to me.Comment
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Well, that's it for me! Jon-Olav has provided the 'provenance' -- or lack thereof! If this pair of cufflinks has been associated with other offerings of suspicious origin, and without anything that might shed positive light on this particular set within those offerings, then that closes the chapter for me! Many thanks, my friend,
Br. JamesComment
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585 as stated earlier is the gold content. 585 would be 14 KaratComment
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All I can add is that the seller states he acquired them from a "big" dealer and paid "alot" for them. These are the only pictures available. Thanks for youre input guys, but sounds like maybe not a good investment at this point ?Comment
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Amen, Craig!
Br. JamesComment
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