Nazi clock original or fake?

[italianwaffenSS]

Hello to all; it was proposed me to buy the following clock with Nazi eagle; is it original or fake? Thanks Gian

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[james m]

Case work casting appears somewhat sloppy to me. Is the movement marked in any way?
Jim

[torstenbel]

I would not buy it. Cheers, Torsten.

[ErichS]

If it has a quartz movement that's not a good sign.

[italianwaffenSS]

the movement is market Junghans

[ErichS]

the movement is market Junghans

Just kidding!

[Br. James]

Hi Gian,

What a unique timepiece; I've never seen another like it. As james m stated, the casting of the reverse of the oakleaf wreath and swas do look a bit crude; I wonder if the piece has been refinished at some point? As a quick search of the internet tells me, the Junghans firm has been in the clock and watchmaking business since 1861 and still exists today, which is a good sign; perhaps there is some way of your contacting them directly and asking about this piece? There may be maker's and/or foundry marks somewhere on the case which would be helpful to have, and people into antique clock collecting could probably tell you about the age of the movement and whether it was produced during the Third Reich period. The eagle and swas are reminiscent of the NSKK-style logo, thought without the named ribbon, and the DRGM as found at the bottom of the reverse wreath is the acronym for Deutsches Reichs gebrauchsmuster, or "Nationally Used Pattern." It is certainly a very interesting piece! Do let us know what you find out.

Br. James

[italianwaffenSS]

The structure of the clock does not make a good impression because it was painted black

[james m]

Hi Gian,

What a unique timepiece; I've never seen another like it. As james m stated, the casting of the reverse of the oakleaf wreath and swas do look a bit crude; I wonder if the piece has been refinished at some point? As a quick search of the internet tells me, the Junghans firm has been in the clock and watchmaking business since 1861 and still exists today, which is a good sign; perhaps there is some way of your contacting them directly and asking about this piece? There may be maker's and/or foundry marks somewhere on the case which would be helpful to have, and people into antique clock collecting could probably tell you about the age of the movement and whether it was produced during the Third Reich period. The eagle and swas are reminiscent of the NSKK-style logo, thought without the named ribbon, and the DRGM as found at the bottom of the reverse wreath is the acronym for Deutsches Reichs gebrauchsmuster, or "Nationally Used Pattern." It is certainly a very interesting piece! Do let us know what you find out.

Br. James

Good points:
The Junghams Firm was a prime contractor of military clocks for the Navy and the Luftwaffe during the 3rd Reich period in addition to it's long standing reputation as a quality civiian clock manufacturer. The movement in the clock above looks to be of a fairly typical wind up alarmclock type,although this example isn't an alarm, from this period based upon my past interest in clock collecting.
The case however appears crude and I wonder if a quality firm like Junghams would ever had put this out. It is possible that they just provided movements to another contractor that assembled and sold these as novelties to the German populace.
Jim

[italianwaffenSS]

The clock's movement

[Erich B.]

The case is appropriate for the movement--this is not a high quality Junghans clock but is more a clock for the masses. The case is more of a 1900s style, though, and the eagle looks like the car flag pole top eagles that are found fairly often, and are readily faked. The style of the eagle doesn't at all match the case; IMO it's a put together piece that has been painted over to hide that fact.
Erich