A couple of Cultural items

[Thälmannpionier]

another interesting and nice plate
http://www.buchenwald.de/fotoarchive...nventarnr=1371

[Thorsten B.]

These plates are sometimes without the word Edda and sometimes with it coming along.

Yes, that one in the link is a DAW product from Buchenwald.

[Thorsten B.]

The outward appearance is quite similar to this one:

[Steve T]

of course it is..but I thought it was not usual to carve the word edda in the plate...but I just found another on the web so my question is answered..

Thanks
Andreas

Some with, some without. Probably some in this thread too, I know I've posted at least one here with 'Edda'.


Oh, that Buchenwald plate is so ugly! ..a matter of taste of course but that's one I could not bear looking at!

[Naval Enigma]

Thorston thank you filling in the gaps regarding the yule corner. Now if only someone would write a book about this!

Regarding the Edda, the "Hail the guest that comes" what is the significance of that quote? I believe it refers to Hitler, has it been lifted from the Edda as a prophetic quote?

Every religion has its sacred texts, was the old Norse Edda being groomed as a text for the SS neo-pagan religion they were creating?

Mein Kampf is a political text, but does push a new worldview complete with "metaphysical rules" (Aryan rule, Providence, natural laws of struggle, etc.)

Where is the SS/National Socialist religious text? Maybe someone was writing it somewhere and were rudely interrupted by 8 May, 45.

[Thorsten B.]

The most noteworthy poet of the SS is Hanns Johst who was often guest at Wewelsburg castle, especially in later war years.
The SS gathered a lot of poetic national input from the 19th century- the fight against Napoleon and also some romantic poets as well as men like Ernst Jünger.

The religious book was indeed Mein Kampf - just have a look at these magnificent literal pieces of art like the luxurious amber editions coming in a blue presentation box, definitely one most important cultural highlight and held in highest regards during the period and an exclusive cultural jewel in today´s market as well.

What you mean was still in development - such stuff would have been realized after winning the war, just like the huge architectural and cultural projects of the government as well as the SS in particular.

You need to visit these historical sites one day.

[maestro]

... I have a dream...

when will the dollar get strong again?!! i'll take a trip then!

[Michael Fay]

Michael,

Once again you try to put things in my mouth that never have been spoken.

The only relevant things you and I stated regarding the use of the chests is starting you in comment 631:

"except that the "MK boxes" are absolutely SS related while a Jul and familie chest are not all absolutely SS (some are/most are not), nor even necessarily Third Reich inspired at all. Any one could have one if they could afford to have one carved (so middle class civilians could easily have had them),or ideally had one passed down through their family-as many did. This was, as you know, an old tradition .
Dont you agree?"


After that I said in comment 632:

"No."


Then more in my following comment 632:

"Michael,

Name the individual who told you such nonsens - is he a WAF member also?

Even a wolf in WAF clothing so to speak?"
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That was and is relevant - and I strongly stay behind my "No" to your expressed opinion.

The followings attempts of yours trying to let me look like I was wrong in my comment 631 and 632 is based on - NOTHING!

And that speaks volumes about your personal hatred agenda against me in person and not against facts - instead of them you eagerly try to present facts that Never left my mouth.

You make no sense. How can you still disagree with me, and yet as you stated previously never disagreed with me.
In the end you dont make sense on purpose.

[Michael Fay]

Michael,

refering again back to you initial comment 631 please explain this to me:

"...while a Jul and familie chest are not all absolutely SS (some are/most are not), nor even necessarily Third Reich inspired at all."

Again: who told you such nonsense?

Of course there has always been the very, very old tradition of symbolizing a chest as a Family chest, right from the beginning of it´s existence as a practical piece of furniture troughout the centuries.

Who would doubt that?

But it´s use as a "Jul and familie chest" is DEFINITELY ONLY Third Reich inspired!

So your opinion is nonsense.

And who would doubt that?

You purposely play games.
All one has to do is get their hands on the chests I described(that you now finally agree with as being true) and then claim it is a Jul chest.

Other than actual documentation or period carvings of obvious or subtle SS symbols on a particular chest then there is no proof of which correct term will apply.

And some unscrupulous seller who wants to make a pile of money will hype them up as SS by claiming they are "Jul" chests.

But even there you are WRONG.
Others who were not SS also used the term Jul. --Or do you disagree with this also Thorsten?

[Michael Fay]

Revisionism ala Thorsten

Michael,

refering again back to you initial comment 631 please explain this to me:

"...while a Jul and familie chest are not all absolutely SS (some are/most are not), nor even necessarily Third Reich inspired at all."

Again: who told you such nonsense?

Of course there has always been the very, very old tradition of symbolizing a chest as a Family chest, right from the beginning of it´s existence as a practical piece of furniture troughout the centuries.

Who would doubt that?

YOU DID for days straight. You wrote "no" remember?
But now you have changed your story.

As for my comment on certain Ahen Truhen as being not necessarily Third Reich inspired chests....Yes, those pre TR era Chests are in existence then and now, and you could claim they are SS or Third Reich era pieces....not all of TR era pieces have an SS symbol or a swastika on them as you well know.

Or as you like to say
who could doubt that?

[Michael Fay]

By the way, how would anyone distinguish a "plain" bread plate to be related to a SS wedding ? Pure imagination ! While it's a nice item by itself, I personally do not fancy this practice.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=491147

Exactly.
At best, it could have been in an SS family's possesion....but in no way proven as such. Such items (that look generic TR ) were not only for SS.

[Michael Fay]

when will the dollar get strong again?!! i'll take a trip then!

Just be careful who you give that dollar to.

[Michael Fay]

proven my point

Now the climax:

"How does one distinguish a sippentruhe intended for an SS familie from a more traditional family chest?"

Within their booklets and catalogues the DHW also presents the possibility to manufacture special and unique pieces of furniture on demand.

So that indicates that they were not only offering their usual production range but also specialized in manufacturing individual pieces for their selective clients.

For example owners of pubs, hotels, official buildings - one can see pieces which are not offered within their general range.

That was one important facet and one of the ideological pillars why the DHW initially had been found.

There were specialized wood turners and craftmen in contract with the DHW for designing and manufacturing special unique pieces - no doubt about that.

Nothing stated here proves anything other than items were sold to both regular clients and selective clients. Nor does anything written here explain what would prove such items to be SS or not.
So you have proven my point
No doubt about that

[Michael Fay]

a pointed question

How does one distinguish a sippentruhe intended for an SS familie from a more traditional family chest?
:

If Thorsten had his way, no one would be asking this pointed question (that he originally claimed was "nonsense") and continue believing they were all SS, and accept ever higher prices for such items.

1: Thorsten claimed this question was not applicable when I first dared to bring it up.

2: Thorsten has not divulged the answer yet, for some reason.

and if he ever does try to answer the question he could only truthfully say "through documentation of actual SS ownership" and/or look for SS symbology. Further, his best answer possible would be to say "try and find an SS Ahnen Truhe(or whatever you want to use as its name) that exactly /closely resembles the one in the "SS familie" or other Truhe as shown in other SS periodicals.

I wonder why he tries to not state this...it seems vagueness is his preference.

No one would be asking this if I did not bring it up in the first place, and then refused to let Thorsten wriggle out of his initial claims that my assertions were nonsense.

[Michael Fay]

Thorston thank you filling in the gaps regarding the yule corner. Now if only someone would write a book about this!

Regarding the Edda, the "Hail the guest that comes" what is the significance of that quote? I believe it refers to Hitler, has it been lifted from the Edda as a prophetic quote?

Every religion has its sacred texts, was the old Norse Edda being groomed as a text for the SS neo-pagan religion they were creating?

Mein Kampf is a political text, but does push a new worldview complete with "metaphysical rules" (Aryan rule, Providence, natural laws of struggle, etc.)

Where is the SS/National Socialist religious text? Maybe someone was writing it somewhere and were rudely interrupted by 8 May, 45.

There were a few.
The SS Familie was one of these texts you are asking about: it has 2 english translations in printed form. one is on the web for free, or was a few months ago.
You can research it all you want. And get just about all your answers.