A couple of Cultural items

[Capt. R]

Robert,

Thorsten cannot help insulting people. Don't be offended. If you disagree with his wild theories, he gets angry. But, you probably already knew that.

[Etienne B.]

I see two very interesting topics on ss cultural items ruined by blunt remarks.
This should be fun guys

Etienne

[Capt. R]

I agree 1000%.

[Thorsten B.]

Yeah, let´s have fun!

Unfortenately Steve isn´t here to help me upoloading pics.
I need to take actual pics of the DH furniture because step by step how they came in they have been mostly restored meanwhile and the skillful man did a great job and the pieces are far more attractive than on the pictures.

Don, of course I do own these pieces and during next week I will show some of them as well.

We should really include soon these pics out of the Wewelsburg book which I mentioned.

Is nobody in the posession of that book?

[JoeW]

For sure the Julleuchter had to be returned due to dishonor - that can be even found in the little description regarding the Julleuchter at Wewelsburg castle.

The piece was an award, you could not buy it.

And can you please tell me how a Julleuchter should be worn or
carried in honour by the recipient?
Should he hang it on his jacket like a medal?? :-))

Oh, the warning for the ladies and gentlemen given the Julleuchter to carry themselves with honor is in a description at the Wewelsburg castle? Oh.

Hardly an award. Maybe a reward for being in the SS or working for them.

You wrote that it was to worn or carried with honor like the TK ring or Ehrendegen. I didn't write it.

[Michael Fay]

On the importance of Julleuchters

Oh, the warning for the ladies and gentlemen given the Julleuchter to carry themselves with honor is in a description at the Wewelsburg castle? Oh.

Hardly an award. Maybe a reward for being in the SS or working for them.

You wrote that it was to worn or carried with honor like the TK ring or Ehrendegen. I didn't write it.

Hello Joe,
while I have serious problems with Thorsten as he has refused to fully pay me what he owes me for months (let this be a warning to have little faith in him in general) and he is ,of course periodically irrational and consistently arrogant,
I agree with Thorsten ,for the most part, as to what he is trying to say about the Julleuchter.
Let me put it this way,
It is not about how the SS allgemeine or Waffen members saw the Julleuchter in reality ,
nor especially how we in the modern era see the Julleuchter (i.e. modern context...that a seemingly "ugly" and wierd shaped shaped lump of clay could ever be on a par with the gleaming martial sophistication of the TK ring or Ehrengegen).

Instead, we need to realize it is what Himmler himself felt was important. In that regard, I believe Thorsten is correct.
Himmler is the all and be-all as to what was going to be for the future SS. In the end it was what Himmler propounded that matters in regard to the Julleuchter and how it would relate to what the SS world construct was going to be.
Himmler was the ultimate arbiter, the final architecht of the SS religion, among other things .
The Julleuchter was truly important to Himmler.
So the "ugly misshapen" Julleuchter made of clay was highly important. For me , I agree with Thorsten that it was easily on a par with other awards as per Himmler and his instructions and plans for the future SS world of aristocratic knights and Wehrbauern throughout the Ost.

[Thorsten B.]

Thank you, Michael!

I completely agree with what you said regarding the perception of Himmler and the SS and I also want to express that much of what I learned I received via reading the book from Robin Lumsden - who is not a member here anymore due to reasons I do not know and perhaps do not want to know because this forum needs guys like him but he does not need us.

As Michael knows I will be able to pay him back in full in the first week of September.

I know that I am not the born diplomat but I still can develope - I am sure we all develope via this forum.

So another beer for me!

[Capt. R]

Thanks Michael.

Here is a period drawing describing all that we have been talking about.

It shows the chest as a repository for the family memories and heritage as well as the children recalling family history with the grandmother and the Familiestammbuch or chronik. The title of the book is unser familien buch.

Nice to have it all summarized into one concise image.



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[Thorsten B.]

Don,

the pic from the known book you share is a great add and is a fine periodical evidence for the direction of tradition within the german family - everything is in it and somehow no further explanation needed.

Though the illustration was used due to the youngsters the rulers could be reassured that even the illiterates within german society would be able to follow their cultural direction ;-)

[Steve T]

A few pictures Thorsten wants to show.

[Mr. Scratch]

Here is an interesting translation of a period article, "One Recognizes a National Socialist by His Home!". It includes some interesting photos, including a wheel tree stand (which I've read about, but never seen a period example).

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/g...decoration.htm

[Steve T]

The single candle holder is quite interesting too.. quoted from the page on The German Propaganda Archive:

'The cradle festival, the celebration of the birth of a child conducted within a small family circle, is something new for many people. We are convinced that this is something fathers must take on once again. We do not want to imitate a church ritual, although we realize that the church did not hesitate in the past to imitate the customs of our ancestors. It was an old custom to light a fire for the new born child. It grew out of the idea that life is like a fire. The Norns, for example, kept a fire burning as long as life lasted. In our case, we no longer burn a whole log, and a candle does not last very long, so we burn the candle on a “life candelabra,” which will be the child’s own.

In place of the child in the illustration to the right, the ancient life rune stands, with an arc on both sides that surround it, just as parents surround and protect a child..'

[Etienne B.]

@Mr.Scratch:thanks for the posted link and photo.Really nice things to see.I have seen two examples of the ''Julrad'' last year on some site.Can't recall which one
I have seen a iron swastika once that was made for the same purpose,for holding the christmas tree.

Etienne

[Thorsten B.]

Very interesting material!

The SS Julrad from the DH looks a bit different, though and I know that there are pics of it in publications of the period but have not the docs on hand right now.
There are drawings of the SS Julrad in booklets like Vorweihnacht or Deutsches Weihnachtsbuch published by SS-Hautamt.

To the postcards:

They show the front of the SS-Berghaus Bayrischzell with the SS-flag and in the backyard of the big house was the swimming pool and an area for fitness and sports.
The building is still in evidence today and is the youth hostel of Bayrischzell.
Even a lot of the original interieur is left like wall paintings with deers and a roaring stag - yes, he looks exactly like the one from Allach and the paintings were obviously executed by Theodor Kärner.

By looking at the iron candleholder I can see clearly the typical Irminsul design again.
And don´t forget to take a look at their feet - the one I posted is just the same style.

[Steve T]

Is anyone going to post pictures of those little wooden figurines next that the folks in the Erzgebirge still carve for Christams today ???

No, but how about some big ones?