Help with nskk tunic setup.

[NickG]

and try explaining this??? The strap backing farbe (color black?) does not match the cap eagle backing...an obvious way lighter farbe...mis-match here!!!

[Guymauve]

Hi Nick
during the campaign of France, the "Technische Bataillon" also named "Staffel Dünkirchen" wore a blank right collar patch...
The personnal was coming from the RMS Döberitz-Elsgrund and was a part of the Transportstandarte Todt with GF Nikolas Eiden (Motorgruppe Westmark) as commander.

The "ungarian officer" is not ungarian but german and his side cap is the same as worn by the Motorschulen : olive green.

The question was about a Sturm 13M84 and my answer was

13/M84 Reichenhall, Motorgruppe Hochland (MG A. Hühnlein, 1942)
Should have only one shoulderboard with light blue piping.

At my knowledge, it was not a special or Wehrmachtsgefolge unit.

The Korps has given units to all political and military organizations :
KM, LW, Heer, SS, Auswärtigen Amt, Org. Todt, Polizei...
You can show me pics up to tomorrow, I never will be tired.
Cheers

[NickG]

Hi Nick
during the campaign of France, the "Technische Bataillon" also named "Staffel Dünkirchen" wore a blank right collar patch...
The personnal was coming from the RMS Döberitz-Elsgrund and was a part of the Transportstandarte Todt with GF Nikolas Eiden (Motorgruppe Westmark) as commander.

The "ungarian officer" is not ungarian but german and his side cap is the same as worn by the Motorschulen : olive green.

The question was about a Sturm 13M84 and my answer was

At my knowledge, it was not a special or Wehrmachtsgefolge unit.

The Korps has given units to all political and military organizations :
KM, LW, Heer, SS, Auswärtigen Amt, Org. Todt, Polizei...
You can show me pics up to tomorrow, I never will be tired.
Cheers

I agree with the above, that's why I changed the collar tab in that post showing the uniform to a blank tab (as opposed to sturm 13M84 cyphers...) more appropriate for war time NSKK "Wehrmachtsgefolge" unit! I just wanted to show the 2 shoulderstraps in wear in period images...which was deemed strange by some...however plenty examples out there! I did think that officer looked Hungarian (but now I notice the pips on the left rank tab) proving its a war time shot as opposed to pre-war (which it might still be)

I did not know the Dunkirchen unit was a unit under NSKK-OT... but being mechanics, technical guys electricians etc... that would make perfect sense, so appropriately with blank tabs (and 2 shoulder straps). The farbe mis-match (cap-strap) in that Dunkirchen unit photo is weird though...

Thanks for your input!! I know you are the WAF NSKK/Political expert...I dabble a little bit in everything, but I do have an open mind when I see odd stuff. (NSKK-Polizei uniform combinations example!)

[Guymauve]

I am not an expert, I study just a precise subject.
I had understood where you wanted to come from there but I do not think that all this informationq can help a beginner, on the contrary.
For the 13/M84, I give information which I know, assembly at period time or not : I do not know.
Greeting

[wewelsburg]

NIck I love your intensity!!!you are a fine researcher,I want to hear what Bob has to say on the two boards now,dont you think its odd though both sets being black?

[NickG]

NIck I love your intensity!!!you are a fine researcher,I want to hear what Bob has to say on the two boards now,dont you think its odd though both sets being black?

Here's a portret of an NSKK member (credit goes to as tagged) showing 1 shoulder strap, eagle in the "old" (non military service) position (=right sleeve), which allowed for the political armband to be worn on the left sleeve, as worn here...!

[NickG]

For comparison with previous image (lousy quality but worth showing!)
Here's an image of a war time NSKK driver working for the Armed Forces with 2 shoulderstraps and the eagle in the "military" position. Also of interest he is wearing the 2nd pattern NSKK cap eagle shifted to the front of his cap, (also done to give him a more military look... like the 2 shoulder straps)

If I see a tunic with 2 straps "military style" and the eagle in the "non military" position I would not automatically distrust it...I have seen images of this combination...
but blank collar tabs on NSKK "Wehrmachtsgefolge" uniforms would be the norm, I agree!
(but always adhered to?)

[macca007]

The owner of the tunic here

Hi all,

seems to be some debate over my tunic. Well finally found Bill's write up and here it is.

Mark

[macca007]

Close Up

A closer view.... hope it works.

Mark

[wewelsburg]

thanks but still doesnt explain the insignia mismatch?

[Erich B.]

I only just read this thread, but looking over Bill's letter, he does note the evidence that the numerals have been changed and that the fading to the numerals is not consistant--not a huge or impossible deal, but in light of the unit/board mismatch, I think you'd be safe to say the tunic has likely been reworked.
Erich

[helmuthunter]

What would be the benifit of changing the unit designation on the tabs post war guys? Didnt anyone get transfered during the war???? Johnno.

[wewelsburg]

Yes HH, but is the insignai a possible outcame of that transfer??

[macca007]

I suggest you invest your money into some research books first.

[wewelsburg]

Like you did before you bought this tunic?

Me invest money in research books!!I assume you didnt have a book at the time you purchased this tunic too or you would have realized the descrepencies im asking aboutIts your item on teh stand maybe you should have these answers readily available.
So arent we in the same boat?both trying to figure out the tunic?.Please dont tell me to get books if you yourself dont seem to have the information either.
By the way ordered the NSKK/NSFK book by Angolia.