Late War Hitler Youth Armband - Thoughts?

[tradesecrets]

Hi!
Just bought this armband described as a late war machined production.
Not my area of expertise but is it the real deal?

I'd appreciate any comments on authenticity and value
Thanks guys!

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a rear shot

[dragnet]

There seems to be quite a few of these turning up at the mo, theres a british dealer selling them as a ''hord'' find, seems to have a stack of various youth type arm bands,all printed. IMO id say a wrong un, not keen at all on the top stitch, lets see what other members have to say, pete.

[tradesecrets]

Thanks for the input - thought the price was too good to be true!
Cheers
A

[Garry M.]

If it were real this would be NSStB not HJ. The seller hasn't a clue....

[tradesecrets]

Interestingly when i watched the famous newsreel of hitler awarding medals to the HJ youth on his birthday in 1945 the HJ are wearing this style of armband which made me think it could be late war.
It's a bit puzzling

[NickG]

Interestingly when i watched the famous newsreel of hitler awarding medals to the HJ youth on his birthday in 1945 the HJ are wearing this style of armband which made me think it could be late war.
It's a bit puzzling

The armband does indeed represent a NS students armband, (NSDStB)
not HJ...I doubt its real printed like that... but more on printed versions below!

Btw here's the birthday award ceremony, Berlin April 1945 that you're talking about, some wearing regular HJ arm bands...as expected. Even in the recreation of this scene in "Der Untergang" (The downfall) movie regular HJ armbands are worn!
There was no "late war" style....

[NickG]

Here's the scene from that movie!

[NickG]

These are being faked, like this one...which btw was ALSO offered
described as a regular HJ pattern armband... People get confused...
Of course its a fake of another NSDStB-National Sozialist Deutscher Studentenbund (National Socialist German Students League) Armband

[NickG]

and don't automatically think all printed HJ related armband are fake
(or "late war" types), they did exist throughout the war.
(just a cheaper option when buying these at the time... but if this quality was RZM sanctioned???... I kind of doubt that!)

[Darin S.]

I've read that there are regulations specifically forbiding printed HJ armbands. I've seen photos that look like printed armbands in wear. I wonder if these regulations were to stop members who were using them. In what context were the regulations made?

[NickG]

I've read that there are regulations specifically forbiding printed HJ armbands. I've seen photos that look like printed armbands in wear. I wonder if these regulations were to stop members who were using them. In what context were the regulations made?

Supplying the HJ members was a huge commercial activity with so many customers with a need to fullfill that no doubt not all items were RZM quality approved...(RZM santioned).
Its like HJ winter caps without the RZM stamp embossed on the buckle...(denoting official pattern). Some collectors would steer away from these...but there were period (non RZM marked) ones, I'm sure of it...(same with arm bands I guess)

Perhaps it became a problem that they tried to police it better and an example would be the regulation to ban non RZM approved printed armbands.
Parents that had to buy uniforms for lets say 4 children (non of this stuff was issued) made a choice in price which reflected in the quality...

Example: this original HJ winter cap has no RZM markings whatsoever...

[NickG]

Note period Reichsmark (4.50) price tag still in place! A lot of money in those days if you needed to buy uniforms for several children, Note "Ski Heil" marking!

[DEBERTEX]

Your cap, in my opinion, has nothing to do with HJ.

This kind of cap and other clothes were sold to sportsmen long before the HJ staff decided to introduce them as uniform parts. Winter sports were very popular in Germany in the 20th (and later) and fashion was evident also.

On the other side, no uniform or insignia of the NSDAP formations was allowed to be sold outside of the RZM channel (because they had to check the quality, to impose the lowest price... and to take there part : see the RZM labels and other markings). If some manufacturer (or trader) had dared to forget that, it was big amend for him.

Best regards
Debertex