The Blood Flag

[ErichS]

It's interesting that Grimminger carried the BF in that manner because he had a heart condition according to his Doctors during that time. "The man and his flag"

[oldflagswanted]

some minor BF errors ???

I had this illustration of Grimminger and his flag done many
years ago for a book. I think the artist (Paul Hannon) made
an excellent job of it.

Hello Robin:
A cool illustration indeed, but with some minor BF errors.
Missed the raised center rings on the screw togeather pole joint,
have not seen (by me) any upper red background seam, center
white circle is artistically moved towards the pole so other guy
doesn't block same, no blood stains, rips, or holes showing, pole
top oak leaves below wreath missing, etc. But overall a nice job.
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[hs132]

The last section of the book has a small footnote saying that it was sold to an American dealer after the war. where and who it went to. no one knows.

The last time I heard Dirk Pitt had it in the novel Atlantis Found. Best, Bill

[Military]

Atlantis Found is a novel. not a history book. ???

[Robin Lumsden]

Hello Robin:
A cool illustration indeed, but with some minor BF errors.
Missed the raised center rings on the screw togeather pole joint,
have not seen (by me) any upper red background seam, center
white circle is artistically moved towards the pole so other guy
doesn't block same, no blood stains, rips, or holes showing, pole
top oak leaves below wreath missing, etc. But overall a nice job.
.....

I knew there must be a mistake in that book somewhere.

Let's call it artistic licence.

[Nische]

Ok, here's something to think about. (bear with me on this one)

Let's just say that "Joe Veteran" decides to one day open up his combat foot locker to share with the world his most prized possession: The Blood Flag. (liberated, by him, during the final days of the war)

My question is, is this unearthed flag (the Blood Flag) even possible to authenticate? It's doubtful that it was stamped "Blutfahne".

Any thoughts on how a flag such as this, if uncovered, could ever be deemed authentic? Would an expert opinion from let's say a Jason Burmeister" be sufficient? Would someone like him even touch something like this?

[Military]

there's another old thread about the blood flag somewhere. the blood staining and the tears can be compared to that from photographs. the blood staining pattern and the tears and ageing will allow some form of identification. of course, such things can be fakes if one want to.

[oldflagswanted]

more about the BF ???

...is this unearthed flag (the Blood Flag) even possible
to authenticate? It's doubtful that it was stamped "Blutfahne".
Any thoughts on how a flag such as this, if uncovered, could
ever be deemed authentic? Would an expert opinion ...
be sufficient? ...

Nische:
Short answer is yes! BF had/has numerious unique construction
and use details, well documented in lots of period photos.
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[Military]

"well-documented" is the word!

Nische:
Short answer is yes! BF had/has numerious unique construction
and use details, well documented in lots of period photos.
.......

[oldflagswanted]

more BF info ???

"well-documented" is the word!

Hyphen use is one of those US/UK debatable things ,
the extra "i" was the real posting error. As for a refocus
on the thread topic, for more Blood Flag info see the Bender
Spring 2006 issue of "The Military Advisor" magazine, Volume 17,
number 2., a reference worth reading by those interested in the BF.
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[Richard]

What year did the NSDAP go from a static to a mobile swastika? Did they use both by 1923? I have to assume they used both by this time since the Blutfahne has a mobile swaz. I had always heard they used the static swas exclusively in the beginnings.
Richard V

[ErichS]

One could also possibly get DNA from the family of Andreas Bauriedl for comparison.

[oldflagswanted]

BF swastika ???

What year did the NSDAP go from a static to a mobile swastika? Did they use both by 1923? I have to assume they used both by this time since the Blutfahne has a mobile swaz. I had always heard they used the static swas exclusively in the beginnings.
Richard V

Richard:
Very good question, few mobile swastika flags are shown in
pre-1925 photos. Likewise, the BF underwent major rework, adding
a new pole and top (not from the 9 Nov 1923 event) and a DE like
pole mount cord. Study of period photos also IMO shows artifically
post 1923 induced stains, rips, and holes - the BF afterall was an
item used for propaganda purposes by those who practiced the
"big lie" as their official information policy. The Big Lie (German:
Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined
by Hitler in his 1925 "Mein Kampf", the same year the BF debuted.
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[oldflagswanted]

Bf dna ???

One could also possibly get DNA from the family of Andreas Bauriedl for comparison.

ErichS:
I assume your use means you understand that really old
blood stains on cloth will not yield "valid hit" DNA results.
If not, then maybe you have been watching too much CSI-TV?
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[Richard]

Richard:
Very good question, few mobile swastika flags are shown in
pre-1925 photos. Likewise, the BF underwent major rework, adding
a new pole and top (not from the 9 Nov 1923 event) and a DE like
pole mount cord. Study of period photos also IMO shows artifically
post 1923 induced stains, rips, and holes - the BF afterall was an
item used for propaganda purposes by those who practiced the
"big lie" as their official information policy. The Big Lie (German:
Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined
by Hitler in his 1925 "Mein Kampf", the same year the BF debuted.
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This is interesting. So is there a possibility that the Blood Flag swastika was reworked from a static to a mobil swastika post 1923? I wonder how much of the flag was original to the 1923 flag that was actually used?

I have also wondered why there was only one. As I understand the Putsch didn't take place in just one location and surely other flags must have been present. Was this one venerated because the exchange of fire where Hitler and Goering were present took place in the Odeonsplatz at the Feldherrnhalle? I would think the latter as the Feldherrnhalle took on a significant part in Nazi folklore from that point forward.
Richard V