Originally posted by JoeW
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Fair enough ! As long as collectors and proponents of this badge understand that by virtue of appearing in a reference book compiled 25 years after the war this does not legitimize this Badge. These collector books are rife with errors and inconsistencies anyway and are not the benchmark for research or discussion. Period literature and construction details is where this badge falls short no matter when it was first put into print . The hobby has to move beyond this Joe , regardless of certain people’s motivation to keep these fantasy items alive. Thanks for commenting.
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Another established reference book on these subjects is Mickey Huffman's "Hitler's Favorite Political Badges and Decorations," published by The Promethian Press in 1990. In this 78-page paper-bound volume Huffman describes five key TR decorations: the Coburg Badge, the 1929 RPT Badge, the 1931 SA Rally in Brunswick Badge, the Golden Party Badge and the Blood Order. Huffman was aware of and apparently accepted the existence of the CB in question; here is his relevant paragraph from p.18/19:
"And now to the Coburg badge. One major Third Reich badge book mentions that there were two versions of the badge...one version made of "massive bronze and slightly convex, while later versions were thinner and flat." Other authorities in their books do not mention a thinner badge at all, but all refer to another Coburg badge made of silver with a red swastika. It seems to have been one specially made."
This is the only reference Huffman made to the CB in question.
Br. JamesComment
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Hi,
so basically Huffmann paraphrased Littlejohn without any new fact (and without sourcing the info).
Great.
This is like all the books and articles about the Croix de Guerre Légionnaire, copying + pasting each other, which legitimized more and more generation of fakes.
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VinceComment
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I have no argument with you, Vince. I was simply illustrating this thread with a comment made by another highly-thought-of collector and author who had commented on this silver and red CB -- Mickey Huffman. Huffman's brief comment seemed to convey a sense that he believed that this unique CB was legitimate and from the period, though he did not add anything to his comment that would suggest period verification.
Br. JamesComment
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So just to clarify, who owns the red CB now? how many are known to exist? To me i think only Alisby owns the one and only piece? Sorry but Ive just lost track of this thread. http://ailsby-collection.blogspot.co...e-variant.html It says on that page: "However according to Robin Lumsden, the Special Silver Coburg Badge (Variant) was awarded twice. One awarded posthumously and one awarded to female recipient Frau Esslinger." To me, I am skeptical of the RCB.
MilComment
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Bill Rasmussen from Royal Oak, mi also owned one 40-50 yrs ago but it’s whereabouts now is unknown.Originally posted by Military View PostComment
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Hi Mil,
Earlier in this thread was mentioned that two examples of this silver and red CB are known to exist, and that one of those two examples was issued or belonged to Albert Bormann. David Littlejohn described this award in the reference book written in 1968 by Col. C.M. Dodkins and Littlejohn, and it was later stated here that the example of this CB described in that book was actually a part of Dodkins' collection. I believe Christopher Ailsby now owns the example from Dodkins' collection. ErichS has added that an example of this badge was owned by Bill Rasmussen "40-50 years ago, but it’s whereabouts now is unknown" -- I wonder whether this could be the same badge which now resides in Ailsby's collection?
The recipient(s) of this special CB are also vague. You note that Ailsby states that "One awarded posthumously and one awarded to female recipient Frau Esslinger." Both the list of CB recipients published in 1935 and now resides in the NSDAP Hauptarchiv as part of the Hoover Collection at Stanford University, and Ailsby's own list include "Frau Therese Esslinger" of Munich as a recipient, but neither list includes either of the Bormann brothers as a recipient. Indeed, if Albert Bormann was the person who received this silver and red CB "posthumously," then he received it after his death in April of 1989...which would have been at least 44 years after the fall of the Third Reich! I seriously doubt that he would or should be considered to be a valid "posthumous" recipient of this award if he received it after 1989 -- more like a problem with the mail delivery service!!
Indeed a confusing tale...
Br. JamesComment
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Anyone happen to know who "Frau Therese Esslinger of Munich" was?
Just curious...
Br. JamesComment
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Thesese Esslinger is mentioned a few pages above: https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...356560&page=81
Seems not much is known about her.Comment
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An interesting tale, but I don't seem convinced...
MilComment
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Hi,
it seemed that it is Klaus D. Patzwall that is the source for the "two silver badges given to an Bauschen and Esslinger" on two wikipedia pages :
DE : Heinrich Bauschen + Therese Esslinger
NL : Heinrich Bauschen + Therese Esslinger + Martin Bormann
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Bauschen,_Heinrich
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VinceComment
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First time I see one like it. Isn't Klaus frequently asking for opinions ? Smart not to, would just steer the controversy.Originally posted by Gary B View PostComment
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I wonder where the Bormann connection originated. I've never seen anything that linked the silver badge to anyone specific. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodkins badge was the same piece that Rasmussen had and that Ailsby (currently?) has.
I'm also losing track of this thread--is there actually any documentation that states the standard Coburg badge could be awarded to someone who didn't actually earn it?
ErichFestina lente!Comment
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CB copy 1935?
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It is Shows in the exhibition Book, Voraus zur Unzeit.
Real copy in 1935´ did. antöne hear of that ?Comment
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