The Coburg Badge

[ErichS]

The information as stated by Br. James, is of the greatest value. Erichs, again we have to give a great thanks. So now where are the silver CB Badges? Can we see them? But what were they for? How did they fit into the award system? Many questions, but few answers. Angolia say's nothing, Littlejohn only shows the award with no explanation.

Also for provinance, were are the two badges.

Hi Smithee, The silver CBs must have been a special ordered item possibly by Hitler as honor awards but nothing is known for sure. Martin Bormann's brother was said to be recipient of this one.

[ErichS]

By the way, the reverse of the silver badge looks much like the standard 1st type badge with fragile pin.

[Br. James]

Dear Erich,

I've quickly run through the 'martyrs' list and found three Webers; two are from the Kampfzeit (Gerhard Weber of Berlin, died 11/4/29; and Josef Weber of Ebersberg in Oberbayern, died 6/16/31) and the third is Wilhelm Weber of Munich, died 11/8/39. I wonder if this last one was represented by the medal you saw?

Br. James

[ErichS]

Dear Erich,

I've quickly run through the 'martyrs' list and found three Webers; two are from the Kampfzeit (Gerhard Weber of Berlin, died 11/4/29; and Josef Weber of Ebersberg in Oberbayern, died 6/16/31) and the third is Wilhelm Weber of Munich, died 11/8/39. I wonder if this last one was represented by the medal you saw?

Br. James

It was either the 31 or 39 one.

[der-hase-fee]

I wish I could take the credit but it was my son who put the collage together. But hey, he has to earn his way around here some how!

Did he do this one as well ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15B0E7N6Nq0

[ErichS]

Did he do this one as well ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15B0E7N6Nq0

No, but you have me wondering!

[SMITHEE]

Dear Ericks, thank you for sharing this amazing award with us. You have a collection that is 1st class. Such a badge in your collrction is a "wow,wow".

Also the information, "The silver CBs must have been a special ordered item possibly by Hitler as honor awards but nothing is known for sure. Martin Bormann's brother was said to be recipient of this one. ".

All of a quiver, do you have any other pieces that might make a grouping?

[ErichS]

Dear Ericks, thank you for sharing this amazing award with us. You have a collection that is 1st class. Such a badge in your collrction is a "wow,wow".

Also the information, "The silver CBs must have been a special ordered item possibly by Hitler as honor awards but nothing is known for sure. Martin Bormann's brother was said to be recipient of this one. ".

All of a quiver, do you have any other pieces that might make a grouping?

Alas, the silver badge is not in my collection but belongs to a collector in the UK. As far as a grouping, I posted a collage of my pieces earlier in this thread. Best, Erich

[Thorsten B.]

That silver version is a burner!

[SMITHEE]

Thanks Ericks, It seemed that the badge was yours. Your reply, "Alas, the silver badge is not in my collection but belongs to a collector in the UK."

Please share with us who is the owner of this great treasure? Maybe we can get some more information from this person. This would surley be ground breaking?

Again many thanks for giving us the opertunity to see this great rarity.

[ErichS]

Thanks Ericks, It seemed that the badge was yours. Your reply, "Alas, the silver badge is not in my collection but belongs to a collector in the UK."

Please share with us who is the owner of this great treasure? Maybe we can get some more information from this person. This would surley be ground breaking?

Again many thanks for giving us the opertunity to see this great rarity.

I don't think that he has any additional information other than it possibly belonging to Bormann's brother. This badge was once part of the Littlejohn collection. With a special piece like this, it shows the importance that was put on this award by Hitler.

[jabnus]

By the way, the reverse of the silver badge looks much like the standard 1st type badge with fragile pin.

Indeed it has a thin pin on the reverse side, but i think the catch differs a bit fom the first type badges? I've had the chance to hold this award and it's one of the most amazing pieces i've ever inspected. Very very very magical! The pictures don't do it any justice, it's beauty is only revealed when seeing it in hand. i know thats a cliche thing to say, but here it true. Maybe one day some paperwork will surface to tell us more on the background?


A bit more on Albert Bormann, who is credited as being the former recipient of the silver badge, from wiki (and yes, in German, sorry im low on time and cant find it in English):

1927 trat er in die NSDAP und die SA ein. Von 1929 bis 1931 war er Gauführer der Hitlerjugend in Thüringen. Ab 1931 arbeitete er in der Privatkanzlei von Adolf Hitler, deren Leiter er 1933 wurde. Die Privatkanzlei war ab 1934 das Hauptamt I der Kanzlei des Führers. Seit 1934 arbeitete er als persönlicher Adjutant des NSDAP-Führers, mithin Hitlers. Zunächst als SA-Sturmbannführer besoldet, folgten rasch Beförderungen, bis zum Gruppenführer des NSKK und Reichshauptamtsleiter der NSDAP (1940). Für die NSDAP wurde er 1938 Mitglied des Reichstages als Vertreter des Wahlkreises Berlin-West. Am 21. April 1945 wurde Albert Bormann zum Obersalzberg ausgeflogen.

Nach der Kapitulation lebte er unter falschem Namen als Landarbeiter in Bayern. 1949 zeigte er sich selbst an und wurde für kurze Zeit interniert. Nach der Entlassung lebte Albert Bormann in Süddeutschland.

Bormann leitete die Privatkanzlei Hitlers kompetent und zuverlässig, folgerichtig sah sein Bruder Martin Bormann in ihm eine lästige Konkurrenz, da er erkannte, dass sein Bruder auch ohne ihn Einfluss auf Hitler hatte. Albert Bormann destillierte z. B. aus den Privatbriefen eine frühe Form demoskopischer Analysen, die er Hitler vortragen durfte und die, zumindest bis zur „Machtergreifung“ 1933, Hitlers Politik beeinflussten. Kolportiert wird, dass Martin Bormann die Ehefrau seines Bruders, eine Ungarin, als zu „unarisch“ einstufte. Die Brüder galten als verfeindet: wenn sie sich im selben Raum befanden, sprachen sie kein Wort miteinander. Albert Bormann wirkte unauffällig, aber effektiv und nahm gelegentlich auch Einfluss auf Personalentscheidungen im unmittelbaren Umfeld Hitlers, so etwa bei der Bestellung von Traudl Junge als Hitlers Privatsekretärin. Als Person trat er gegenüber seinem nicht unerheblichen Einfluss zurück. Eine wissenschaftliche Studie, die sein Wirken näher beschreibt, existiert nicht.

[Kyle Harrington]

Coburg silver

Does Chris Ailsby own the badge in question...I am sure he does ?

[ErichS]

Does Chris Ailsby own the badge in question...I am sure he does ?

Yes Kyle he owns it.

[ErichS]

Indeed it has a thin pin on the reverse side, but i think the catch differs a bit fom the first type badges? I've had the chance to hold this award and it's one of the most amazing pieces i've ever inspected. Very very very magical! The pictures don't do it any justice, it's beauty is only revealed when seeing it in hand. i know thats a cliche thing to say, but here it true. Maybe one day some paperwork will surface to tell us more on the background?


A bit more on Albert Bormann, who is credited as being the former recipient of the silver badge, from wiki (and yes, in German, sorry im low on time and cant find it in English):

With same needle pin as the 1st type badge, it leads me to believe that it was made/awarded possibly in 1932 as well.