Yes, but the question is, why doesn't it show on any photographs of him? There are some very good pictures of Albert from for exampe the Life colourpictures.
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Good question, it has only been reported that Albert Bormann MAY have been the recipient but he also may not have been. Too little is known about the silver badge other than it was a special award to someone very special.Originally posted by jabnus View PostComment
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FYI: neither of the Bormann brothers is included on the "Coburg 1922-1932" list published by the Stabsabteillung der Oberster SA-Führung or the Coburg Badge Recipients list provided by Robin Lumsden on WWM in February of 2009.
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That's true due to niether one of them being in the Party in 1922. But as we know, Hitler made Honor awards which included the CB, BO and GPB. So, if AB received the silver badge it had to be from Hitler.Originally posted by Br. James View PostComment
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First and I must say first a thank you all for the wonderful information.
Just to clarify the situation, this badge is the "Holly Grail" of awards. Compared to RK with Diamonds, this is in the leed. So what have we on this?
Ericks, it seems you are a little reluctant to give information as to the current owner? We now have his identity, could we not ask him if there is more information? You must be in contact with him? Other wise you would not have been able to post the picture.
jabnus, has seen and held the piece. Would you please give us your opinion on the piece and the collection it is in? I know you have given soom thoughts to this, but in the light of this thread your thoughts would be most valuble, concidering , it seems, you are the only one who has had it in hand.
As a "NEW BIE" I have the feeling that there is some kind of secrecy about this?Comment
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Erich -- I've just totaled both lists; the 1922-32 list includes 436 entries and Robin Lumsden's list has 449. While Robin does not provide any time frame in reference to the contents of his list, he does refer to the "Original List" a number of times, so my assumption is that his list includes all the entries from the earlier one and would therefore also include thirteen recipients of the 'honor class' of the award.
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The additional names were found in the service records which showed that they were awarded the CB and they were later added to the list by historians. The list found in the National Archives only contains 436 names. What's interesting to me is that Schwede Coburg for example, was not on the original list and photos of him wearing the badge looks to be the 2nd type so he must have been an honor recipient.Originally posted by Br. James View Post
Smithee, Chris was involved in a scandal with a fellow collector and was banned from this site. Before that happened, I spoke with him regarding his badge and he really had no further information on the badge other than what's already been stated. All one knows is that it was a special order possibly by Hitler and it's purpose is still unknown. But, IMO it could have no other purpose than as a special award awarded by Hitler.Comment
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It would be interesting to know how many badges are out there with collectors. Any ideas of how many forum members own a Coburg?
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A good question Jim, MOST Political collectors don't have an example in their collection. Most by far that have survived are the 2nd type badges due to the fact that more were probably produced due to the recipients wanting additional badges for their different uniforms. As far as total surviving numbers? My guess is less than 50.Originally posted by Coburg View PostComment
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That makes it a very desirable piece - apart from the political importance.
I am afraid prices for these will develope quickly soon.Comment
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For the very low number awarded to the very earliest of Hitler's followers, the importance of the event to the Movement, makes it a VERY desirable badge!Originally posted by Thorsten B. View Post
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Again thanks for the great information. Is there a book that covers these awards? I have seen the Angolia 2nd vol on Political awards, but it dose not seem to give a good coverage. Just my opinion.
If I was able to get a badge, what would be the price? Also I would like to get the Silver piece, what would that cost?Comment
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Excellent thread!
Do we have any actual documentation (like personnel file entries, party membership book notations, period newspaper articles, and the like) that the CB was ever actually awarded as an honor award? IMO it seems extremely unlikely that it would have been. The discrepancy with the award names/number awarded could certainly be due to error or late appliers for the award. Like with the 1st type BO, it just seems that the criteria were too specific and the award too exclusive to have been conferred to someone who was not present at the event or who had nothing to do with Coburg.
ErichFestina lente!Comment
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Guys, what is to say the silver award mentioned is nothing but an exotic copy/fantasy piece ? I know its not always the wisest way but 'textbook' is certainly the safest way
Have I missed something in the thread? What documentation or period literature /information or photographs verify this 'special version' of the Coburg Badge?
So the second pattern Coburg was a replacement for guys who needed another for whatever reason or was it a second wave of medals,much like the Blutorden but the list of 2nd pattern winners has not been found?
The lack of issue number is whats stopped me from adding one of these to my collection in the past,its such a shame they did not number them. Wonder why not?Comment
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