My SA mann kurpfalz

[GEROME]

Hello

this is my SA mann kurpfalz





thanks

[luftwaffe blue]

Nice ensemble, your brownshirt seems to be missing a shoulder strap and collar piping though, Sean

[laurens]

I like the kepi, but the shirt is build up. The collar tabs are from the Gruppe Sachsen wich were found in a group, and circulate all over the internet.

Best,
Laurens

[GEROME]

[sgstandard]

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OK - Don't panic. Your shirt without collar piping WILL be correct if you add a 2nd-pattern SA enlisted man's shoulderboard to the right shoulder. After 1942 there was no piping on the collar OR collar tabs. The machine-embroidered style of collar tabs on your shirt are better anyway for this 1942 time period. Earlier SA tabs are usually chain-stitched. This 2nd-pattern board was introduced in late 1940. Add the 2nd-pattern shoulderboard like I say, and your uniform will be per regulation. The board you need is 4 brown cords, veined with aluminum stripes. The wool underlay for the board should be grey (Standard Foot SA). Unlike the earlier SA regulations, the 1942-era shoulderboard underlay now designates the SA "specialty". Foot SA=Grey,
Stick with the shoulderboard with the basic GREY underlay. This is your safest bet. Any questions, feel free to respond or PM me. P.S.: I agree the tabs could be Sachsen, but this is sometimes a tough call, as the Sachsen emerald green and the Kurpfalz steel green sometimes look similar. Your 1942 era shirt is correct with silver buttons, but they should be SMOOTH silver like on the cap, not pebbled. The belt looks like a converted Army belt. Army belts were sometimes worn by the SA, but there was a specific belt made for the SA that didn't have the Army-style white stitching on the front. I would remove the round party pin, as I've NEVER ever seen it worn like this. The helmet-shaped pin, depending on what it signifies, may or may not be appropriate for the shirt. The kepi - even though this "floppy" style was much more prevalent in the early days, it was still worn during the 1942 era, and the later style eagle is perfect for 1942. All you really need is a single right shoulderboard and SMOOTH silver buttons.

[GEROME]

thanks thanks thanks

for an experience




jerome

[laurens]

The tabs are Sachsen because this Standarte existed in Sachsen only. The tabs should be piped with the second pattern shoulderboard.

The question I have is; have you build up this shirt by yourself, or did you bought it this way. When you do it yourself it's ok, but when you bought it as a set, it is something different.

[sgstandard]

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LAURENS know his stuff!! To help clarify, what Laurens is talking about is that after mid-1941, Sachsen enlisted collar tabs would have been piped in a white cord. However, the use of collar tab piping was abandoned after 1942. Therefore, for a post 1942 shirt, no tab piping would be OK.

[laurens]

Thank you! in fact after '42 the collar tabs are still piped, but all in white (excluding Marine-SA and senior leaders.

Best,
Laurens

[GEROME]

ok thank you to you for explanations

I have created this shirt that is why that there are no seams leg passes

for the shoulder of leg you have an example for my SA is coherent



thank you again to you

[sgstandard]

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LAURENS - According to Angolia's book, the SA stopped using enlisted collar tab piping after 1942. Do you disagree with this?

[laurens]

LAURENS - According to Angolia's book, the SA stopped using enlisted collar tab piping after 1942. Do you disagree with this?

Yes, I disagree.
I suppose Angolia based his theory on the uniform regulations of the General-Gouvernement of September '42, other than from a specific order.

Without a period source it's nothing more than a speculation.

And more important, period photos proove him wrong. For example page 300. But I have many examples more.

Of course it's just my statement, and I'm always willing to change this statement if someone can proove the opposite.