Putsch/ Feldherrnhalle Grouping

[ErichS]

Another superlative: oldest SA man in Germany ! He was from Presseck / Frankenwald.

A real "Old Fighter" in truest sense!

[Erich B.]

A nice photo of a young Blutordentraeger along with his brother and proud looking father.

Interesting photo! The brother is a member of the Luftwaffe and is wearing the 2nd style LW dagger which, I believe, was introduced in 1937 or so. And the BO Träger is wearing an unadorned brownshirt with brown tie, a presumably SA box buckle (obsolete in 1933), and a watch chain (forbidden in SA regulations). He could be an SA Anwärter but why he's wearing the outdated buckle is a good question.
Erich

[Br. James]

If this "A. Hofmann" was the bearer of BO #1338 and the CB, then he likely held GPB #35014.

Br. James

[der-hase-fee]

If this "A. Hofmann" was the bearer of BO #1338 and the CB, then he likely held GPB #35014.

Br. James

Why would you think that ? I have a dozen "A. Hofmann" 's or "A. Hoffmann" 's holding GPB's on my humble list. And 35014 is one of the latter.

[Br. James]

Do you have any other listings for an "A. Hofmann" or "Arthur Hofmann" who held both the BO and the CB, in addition to the GPB? Remember, I said "...he LIKELY held GPB #35014." My assumption.

Br. James

[der-hase-fee]

Do you have any other listings for an "A. Hofmann" or "Arthur Hofmann" who held both the BO and the CB, in addition to the GPB? Remember, I said "...he LIKELY held GPB #35014." My assumption.

Br. James

None of my dozen show BO and CB awarded, because I could not make the match. Admittedly, 35014 is my only Arthur in the dozen, but it is "Arthur Hoffmann" with 2 f's. So could be him.

Someone should pull his file.

[Br. James]

A good call, Andreas. Lets hope someone can find further confirming details.

Cheers,

Br. James

[Jon Fish]

This first photo is really interesting, came across it today in a book. I have never seen Goring wearing his blood order with this style ribbon, usually it is in the Austrian way. So maybe this shows Goring had at least 2 BO's, or changed the ribbon style at least.
2nd picture the usual way for HG.

[ErichS]

Goring was a fancy dude that's for sure. My guess is two ribbons due to the fact that he only seems to have worn his BO just a few times a year usually in November.

Most later studio photos of him that I have seen he's wearing about every medal except the BO.

[chrischa]

Interesting photo! The brother is a member of the Luftwaffe and is wearing the 2nd style LW dagger which, I believe, was introduced in 1937 or so. And the BO Träger is wearing an unadorned brownshirt with brown tie, a presumably SA box buckle (obsolete in 1933), and a watch chain (forbidden in SA regulations). He could be an SA Anwärter but why he's wearing the outdated buckle is a good question.
Erich

Dark buttons on the shirt as well rather than metal.

Could he be political going for the old fighter traditional look?

[ErichS]

A favorite from my collection.

[JoeW]

Comemoration March Dress Code

I was asked what type of shirt/blouse did the participants wear in the annual Nov 11 march? Most are wearing ties, so the buttons don't seem to be especially visible. And there is no insignia visible on any of the shirts. Did they simply wear unadorned first model PL blouses?

[Br. James]

Hi Joe,

As I understand it, the participants in the 9th November Putsch Commemoration March took Hitler's lead regarding dress code, and Hitler always wore his Traditions Brownshirt rig, including his EKI, Black Wound Badge and, after about 1935, his GPB, plus his BO. Other marchers in or close to the front line seemed to dress accordingly, though unlike Hitler -- who wore brown breeches to match his Brownshirt -- the PLs in the front lines wore black breeches. Everyone wore neckties, according to their uniform requirement. And of course there were always a few stand-outs who had to dress differently and therefore stand out from the rest: two of these were Göring, who often wore an overcoat, and Streicher, who was permitted to walk beside the Blood Banner at the very front of the line, preceding Hitler himself, and Streicher chose to wear his current PL uniform instead of his Traditions Brownshirt.

The banquet at the Bürgerbraükeller on the night of 8th November was a different matter and the uniform code was apparently more relaxed; photos of those annual events show attendees wearing either their Traditions Brownshirts or their current uniforms.

I don't believe I've ever heard anything about not wearing the bright brass buttons on the Traditions Brownshirt for this event, so I had presumed that the shirt was intact.

Br. James

[JoeW]

Br. James, pardon my ignorance, but I am unfamiliar with a Traditions Brownshirt rig. Was this a special commemorative dress code for the march commemoration? Was it a special PL blouse issued for the event?

Regarding buttons, I just can't make any out clearly, so I don't know what they are.

[Br. James]

Hi Joe,

The Traditions Brownshirt was the standard uniform of the PL, SA, NSKK and SS prior to the 1933 introduction of the tunic, or jacket, and the Brownshirt uniform constituted the basic traditional dress of the NSDAP and it's organizations during the latter years of the Kämpfzeit. Therefore, when the memorialization of 8/9 November 1923 became the most significant political commemoration of the year, that solemn march took on a sense of great history and the major figures involved took part by wearing what had become a historic, traditional dresscode of the Party. This would be akin to members of any group wearing their traditional attire or historic uniform for the main event of their organization...assuming the organization had a sense of history to it.

I don't believe that the Traditions Brownshirt uniform was altered in any way for this annual commemoration.

Cheers, my friend,

Br. James