NSKK shirt and breeches

[MaxxBrunn1938]

Here's a few pictures of a NSKK shirt I've had since high school that I picked up at an antique shop in Santa Barbara back in 1980. I know the tie is incorrect as well as the SA badge but they've been with the shirt since I got it. The breeched were added later.

[MaxxBrunn1938]

NSKK Shirt

close up of tabs and board

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Shirt

The problem is that the shoulder board is for an enlisted man (rank: Mann thru Obertruppfuhrer), and the collar tab with 3 pips is for an officer (Sturmfuhrer). The correct shoulder board for this rank would be similar to the one on the shirt, but with SOLID silver cords (not silver & black). The emerald green edge on the shoulder board indicates the NSKK Gruppe, either Sachsen, Nordmark, or Leipzig. Even though the collar tabs are for an officer, there is no piping around the tabs, which is correct. Staffelfuhrer (4 pips) and up wore silver piping around the tabs. The black collar piping is correct for enlisted, and is probably correct for junior officers under the rank of Staffelfuhrer. Note: It is entirely possible that the person attained the rank of Sturmfuhrer, but never bothered to change his shoulder board to the officer's version. But it is definitely NOT regulation. The tie should be brown. My information is from an original 1940 NSDAP Organisationsbuch. Is there a driver's qualification diamond on the lower left sleeve?

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Shirt

Oops! Just noticed there isn't. Is there an RZM tag on the inner waistband? I would tend to think the shirt was completely "pieced-together" if the collar piping wasn't present, as this would be the hardest part to find. NSKK officer's shoulder boards are pretty scarce also, so it's very possible the shirt was PARTIALLY pieced together. Maybe the shirt originally had only the piping and someone went from there. The lack of a sleeve diamond makes this more likely. Is there evidence on the lower left sleeve where a sleeve diamond used to be? Look at the thread that holds the collar tabs on, as well as the inside of the shirt by the shoulder board. Does it look like period thread, which is usually fine, with a "rope-like" appearance? If it's white, does it glow under UV? Just compare it to modern domestic USA thread. MANY brownshirts and tunics have been pieced together, and it's a good idea to know what you're dealing with before deciding to restore it correctly.

[MaxxBrunn1938]

Nskk Shirt

There is a sleeve diamond that came with it in the pocket and there is a slight impression where it was on the sleeve. I never sewed it back on cause wasn't sure if correct. There is a RZM tag sewn in but unfortunatly washed out when I threw in the washing machine after getting soda on it when I wore it to school minus the armband back in 1981. I know I was an idiot back then but I didn't know. From what I remember it had RZM within a circle on one side and a head with kepi. The tag was white and a light copperish ? color.
The pips on the tab are different the upper 1 are flater then the 2 bottom ones which is slightly larger and taller (Like a add on) as for the board it looks like it was sewn in when made cause the 2 sewing lines are unbroken all the way around the sleeve.

[MaxxBrunn1938]

NSKK Shirt

Sleeve diamond that was in pocket (next to Iron Cross). What I always couldn't figure is there doen't look like a sleeve eagle was ever on it.

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Nskk

Here's an early Motor-SA diamond.

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Motor SA

All Motor-SA absorbed was into the NSKK in 1934.

[MaxxBrunn1938]

The problem is that the shoulder board is for an enlisted man (rank: Mann thru Obertruppfuhrer), and the collar tab with 3 pips is for an officer (Sturmfuhrer). The correct shoulder board for this rank would be similar to the one on the shirt, but with SOLID silver cords (not silver & black). The emerald green edge on the shoulder board indicates the NSKK Gruppe, either Sachsen, Nordmark, or Leipzig. Even though the collar tabs are for an officer, there is no piping around the tabs, which is correct. Staffelfuhrer (4 pips) and up wore silver piping around the tabs. The black collar piping is correct for enlisted, and is probably correct for junior officers under the rank of Staffelfuhrer. Note: It is entirely possible that the person attained the rank of Sturmfuhrer, but never bothered to change his shoulder board to the officer's version. But it is definitely NOT regulation. The tie should be brown. My information is from an original 1940 NSDAP Organisationsbuch. Is there a driver's qualification diamond on the lower left sleeve?

OK I checked the rank tab by removing it it and seen where the pips have been moved around and added as well as what looks like tressa was sewn to it before. Maybe this is why the tab doesn't match the board? Lazyman upgrade?

[Pascal Bernhard]

Here with an officer shirt

[Pascal Bernhard]

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[MaxxBrunn1938]

The problem is that the shoulder board is for an enlisted man (rank: Mann thru Obertruppfuhrer), and the collar tab with 3 pips is for an officer (Sturmfuhrer). The correct shoulder board for this rank would be similar to the one on the shirt, but with SOLID silver cords (not silver & black). The emerald green edge on the shoulder board indicates the NSKK Gruppe, either Sachsen, Nordmark, or Leipzig. Even though the collar tabs are for an officer, there is no piping around the tabs, which is correct. Staffelfuhrer (4 pips) and up wore silver piping around the tabs. The black collar piping is correct for enlisted, and is probably correct for junior officers under the rank of Staffelfuhrer. Note: It is entirely possible that the person attained the rank of Sturmfuhrer, but never bothered to change his shoulder board to the officer's version. But it is definitely NOT regulation. The tie should be brown. My information is from an original 1940 NSDAP Organisationsbuch. Is there a driver's qualification diamond on the lower left sleeve?

Been awhile since I posted this shirt but I finally went ahead an removed the tabs to see the backing on them, one has an RZM tag on it and the other with the rank is slightly smaller and differant in design, so I may go ahead and remove a pip and center the 2 or if I can find a tressa bar sew that on.
Thanks
Joe

[MaxxBrunn1938]

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