dj brouwn shirt opinions please

[heyst56]

hello here a DJ brouwnshirt
verry small size .pebbeled buttons marked A&S
almost mint state
no shoulderboard
size 80
opinions please thanks
heyst56

[Pascal Bernhard]

IMO it's an original HJ shirt with restored insignia, what's not a problem if all the insignia are originals.
The single shoulder board with Bann number is missing, and I think there is no traces of something like this.
If it is an issued shirt, what it should be with the "Gebiets Dreieck" triangle the shirt had to wear a shoulder board.
The buttons seems more to be "tropical" WH buttons (what's easier to find on the market), we should find dark brown HJ/DJ-RZM marked buttons.

[heyst56]

hello Pascal thanks for jour response
the bottons looks original sewn on the shirt and I have seen that before
I have 9 dark brown HJ DJ buttons so I can replace them
what bannr do i need ? ps. I have seen old pic,s from ,,,pimpfen,, with no sholderboard
but I aree it is better with a sholderboard
regards Hans

[Pascal Bernhard]

hello Pascal thanks for jour response
the bottons looks original sewn on the shirt and I have seen that before
I have 9 dark brown HJ DJ buttons so I can replace them
what bannr do i need ? ps. I have seen old pic,s from ,,,pimpfen,, with no sholderboard
but I agree it is better with a sholderboard
regards Hans

Yes agree, in annexed territorys like in my country, Alsace, the "Pimpfe" offen wore theire uniforms without shoulder board nor triangle, I can't really read what's on your "Gebietsdreieck", it's West Hessen-Nassau ? Gebiet 13
So you could put 80-81-87-88-98-115-116-117-118-166-186-249-253-254-287-288-303-304-392-769-770-771-772 on the shoulder.

But HJ experts could perhaps add other Bann numbers.

[heyst56]

hello Pascal thanks

yes it is West Hessen-Nassau

[Paul70]

Hello,

I believe it has been rebuilt, but original.

The buttons are for a thicker uniform as they droop. HJ summer buttons were shallow.

The rank insinia was laterperiod and wearing no shoulderboard is early period.

Finding a sholderboard is fairly easy, make sure you get the late machine stiched numbers not the loop stitch.

I believe the rank insignia is a little high.

Paul

[heyst56]

hello Paul i have 9 of these buttons i think this are the good ones

Hans

[Kurt Meyer]

A bunch of these shirts where sold as untouched ( They where ''orginal'' folded up)And there where all fake.

As I can see at the material of this shirt I think this is another one like the others... Note the sleeve button... It is stitched on the tunic. This is discussed before on the HJ forum and they sad that they never exist...?

Just my 2 cents.

Kind Regards,

Michael

[heyst56]

hello Kurt that where bigger sizes this is a verry small size
are jou sure this is a fake i can return it
regards Hans

[Kurt Meyer]

Size does'nt matters And the shortcut... Everyone could make one like that..

I can't help you futher with this shirt but I shall pass it if I could buy it.

Just my opinion.

Kind Regards,

Michael

[Erich B.]

What was the price? And I can't tell regarding the cuffs--they look like they're set up for cufflink buttons, but there's a button sewn to the cuff on the other side? Is the shirt labeled anywhere? Unless it was extremely inexpensive, I would send it back.
Erich

[heyst56]

they are not set up for cufflink buttons
no labels but one inkstamp 80 that is the size

Hans

[Paul70]

Yes, someone put it together using the cheapest items. DJ is cheaper than HJ and the triangle. disc, and rank would only be about $100-120 for the insignia

As far as being repro, and i have never had one in hand, is the stiching good and straight? Burn test for cotton vs. synthetic? Does the stitching glow?

The only negative is the short length, originals were longer, but that might be a manufacturer variation.

Paul

[Pascal Bernhard]

The only negative is the short length, originals were longer, but that might be a manufacturer variation.

Paul

Or perhaps a "mom" variation...

[Pascal Bernhard]

they are not set up for cufflink buttons
no labels but one inkstamp 80 that is the size

Hans

Don't think "80" is a size, could be everything, usualy are the printed numbers in the collar the collar size, but in this case obviously not, could also be any serial number or perhaps a fabric ref. or what ever.
IMO is the lake of markings a good sign, usualy fakers add the most markings as possible to make it "saleable"... But as said, only my opinion...