VOLKSBUND DER DEUTSCHEN IN UNGARN badge on eStand

[Don Scowen]

The points you are missing is that

a) you are assuming that the people making these things are in the West where it is expensive to make such badges, they are not.
B) you think fakers are spending hundreds of thousands on machines to make 1000's of a particular badge, they are not.

In Eastern Europe these things are being turned out in short runs of a few hundred at a time for a few pennies each. The companies that produce them make enamel badges as a business & turn out short run TR copies to boost it.

Is the Kleingärtner badge in high demand? No, but it is being faked, & sold for a higher price than an original .
Is the Kolonial bund badge that collectable? No, but the fake (& a bloody good one at that) sells for £5 over here already aged.

As to raising "a red flag to get collector attention", did you see the BLUE Adolf Hitler 1933 badge posted the other day? I haven't seen thousands of those, but it's a fake.......

Cheers
Don

[M Wipf]

Don,

I cannot argue with that .. Eastern Europe is the home of illogic..

Tricky business, to be sure ..

This Ungarn badge does look pretty good though ..

Best ..

Mike Wipf

[relics2007]

"a) you are assuming that the people making these things are in the West where it is expensive to make such badges, they are not.
B) you think fakers are spending hundreds of thousands on machines to make 1000's of a particular badge, they are not."

Pardon my assumtion but are you the faker? how do you know? Any facts?
I may have a little exaggerated the cost of making reproduction but not for the high quality items.


"In Eastern Europe these things are being turned out in short runs of a few hundred at a time for a few pennies each. The companies that produce them make enamel badges as a business & turn out short run TR copies to boost it.

Is the Kleingärtner badge in high demand? No, but it is being faked, & sold for a higher price than an original .
Is the Kolonial bund badge that collectable? No, but the fake (& a bloody good one at that) sells for £5 over here already aged.

As to raising "a red flag to get collector attention", did you see the BLUE [COLOR=white]Adolf Hitler 1933 badge posted the other day? I haven't seen thousands of those, but it's a fake"

Don't confuse though some companies out there make reproduction not with intention of make-believe but they produce for re-enactors or movies...that's a different matter.

[Don Scowen]

No I am not a faker, but I have studdied enamels for many years & often (although it pains me to do so) have bought fakes to learn from them. You have to know your enemy.

Very true about the companies out there making reproductions without the intention of deceiving, but sometimes they make them a little too well! The copies I mention above (the Kleingärtner & Kolonial Bund) are openly on sale as copies & are very good (a little too good for my liking), they will fool the unexpecting

Cheers
Don

[Don Scowen]

Sorry to go off topic for a second but here's the Kolonial Bund I mentioned above. When this first dropped through my letter box from a UK copy shop I almost gave up collecting on the spot

It wasn't until I studdied it against an original by that maker that I saw the flaws & errors. But this one is damn good, & for only £5......

Cheers
Don

[M Wipf]

[Peppe864]

So the conclusion is that some poeple doesn´t like or believe the green badge to be original, I myself own the green one, and I have studied it hard and I have come to the conclusion that it might be made post war. I have compaired it to all my other REDO and TR enaamel badges, and it doesn´t have that correct feeling.

If I understood relics2007 correctly, he had gotten the badge from a veteran and therefore believed in it a 100 %.

That can be a hasty assumption and mistake, I will tell you about how it sometimes can go with veterans..........

A friend of mine a big LW-collector went down to Germany a couple of years ago, he had been exchanging letters with a LW RKT (Knight Cross Holder), so when he visited the RKT and they talked, the man asked my friend if he wanted to by his RK, my friend said that he liked to see it first.............

When he got it in hand it was obvious that it was a copy/fake, so he asked the veteran once again, -Is this really the RK you wore? He said yes, this is the one I got...............but it was and still is a fake.................my friend did not buy it, he excused himself and went home........

So far the green badge is unproven as an original or copy, So I think that right now it is what I would like to call "No mans land" Until proven good or bad, we don´t know for a 100 %.

As I said earlier, for me personally it is a post war badge. To much questionmarks.

[M Wipf]

Here's a couple I found on GDC a while back.

Are these fakes?

[M Wipf]

Here's the backs..

[Don Scowen]

Here's a couple I found on GDC a while back.

Are these fakes?

Personally I think both are fine. Not a lot is known about the Böhmen & it can worry people at times, but I'm comfortable with it.

Cheers
Don

[TobyR]

Here's my original red example (RK). Personally, I do not believe in the green examples. It doesn't look period in my opinion. That said, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

[TobyR]

reverse

[Peppe864]

those two RK marked is IMO original

[relics2007]

OK, I just saw 2 or 3 RED badges popped up within an hour... oh boy, they must be faked!

Peppe864,
Lets leave it at this: yours is fake and mine is original. Unless otherwise someone has facts to convince me rather than guessing. Don't get me wrong, I respect and appreciated every opinion on this subject.

May be one day some one can prove that I'm right or wrong...

[Peppe864]

Actually I would prefer that mine is original and yours is fake *lol*

But I still don´t like the green one, it doesn´t matter who owns it, it could be the King of England.............................