Is This Visor HJ, NPEA, or NSDAP?

[stonemint]

Gents: There is no doubt this is an early (pre-RZM) Political Organisation visor. To me, it appears to be HJ, but with an early NSDAP cockade (which is the only insignia that has ever been on the hat). I am unaware of any pre-33 piping for Political Leaders in green. Someone believed that this is an early NPEA visor, but once again, I am unaware of any references for it:

[stonemint]

3/4 view:

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L. Side:

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Rt side:

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Standard early-HJ polished cotton lining:

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Under the Hood--the cockade is the only thing that has ever been on the hat:

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What say you, political experten?

[Bob Coleman]

My Thoughts Are That This Is An Early Hitler Youth Landjahr Visor Cap. The Color Is Wrong For A Political Leader And There Is Nothing To Indicate This Has Any Relation To Any Of The Political Education Facilities. Landjahr Utilized Green In Their Insignia And Their Flags.

[Pascal Bernhard]

My Thoughts Are That This Is An Early Hitler Youth Landjahr Visor Cap. The Color Is Wrong For A Political Leader And There Is Nothing To Indicate This Has Any Relation To Any Of The Political Education Facilities. Landjahr Utilized Green In Their Insignia And Their Flags.

Hi Stone,
think so too, manufacture, piping and fabric are typical of an early HJ cap.

[Kurt Meyer]

It's not a textbook '36 HJ cap is'nt it?
If you see the visor?
Looks like a normal Heer visor or something like that?

[stonemint]

It's not a textbook '36 HJ cap is'nt it?
If you see the visor?
Looks like a normal Heer visor or something like that?

Officially, vulkanfiber visors were to be restricted to the rank of Bannfuhrer and above, but there are plenty of period pics which belie that rule.

Bob, here is a similar hat from the Shutt book attributed to the Asian Oberbann:

[stonemint]

Bob, the Shutt book references a 1935 change in piping, in which green was for "Farm HJ Organizations"--I assume this meant Landwehr, which, I agree, is the best guess. Its just that NSDAP cockade that stumps me.

[Bob Coleman]

The Cocarde Is The Early First Pattern Political Leader Style, Which Became Obsolete By 1936 When The Enameled Version Was Introduced. With No R Z M Tag And This Early Cocarde, My Guess Is This Could Indicate A Political Leader Assigned As A Leader To The Landjahr In 1933 Or 1934. It Is Not Impossible That The Information And Date For The Introduction Of The Green Piping As Listed In The Schutt Book Is Incorrect.

[Kurt Meyer]

Pascal and Bob,

I think I have to disagree with you first opinion.
I think this was a ''Stahlhelm'' visor.
With later applied insigna.

Look at this one on the collectors guild :

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Polit...s/N031058.html

Kind Regards,

Michael

[Bob Coleman]

Interesting Visor Cap On The Collector's Guild Site. However, The Stahlhelm Uniform Was Feldgrau, Not Tan. Even The Description Refers To That Cap As An Unknown Veteran's Group, Which The Stahlhelm Certainly Is Not. I Believe Misidentified On Their Site. However Caps Are Similar, So?????????? The Eagle Appears To Be An Add To The Cap. I Don't Know Except I Do Not Believe It Has Any Relation To Stahlhelm Units.