Sa Kepi,tunic And Breeches What Do You Think?

[biohazard69]

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8751/sa3jd9.jpg

[biohazard69]

Regards. Jarek

[David Patrick]

Hi mate,

Very nice indeed and Genuine. How did you come by the set?

regards

David

[laurens]

I'd would like to see better pictures first before making a final judgement.

Can you post some better pictures. For example the collar tabs with the piping, shoulderboard etc.

Best,

Laurens

[biohazard69]

[dogtagman]

I like it, don´t see anything wrong on that set!

[luftwaffe blue]

Is that kepi button pebbled?

[laurens]

The only thing I don't like is the collar-piping..... But if I'm right, and they add the collar-piping after '45, is the rest then original to the shirt?

On the other hand, the number on the collar-tab match the background color perfectly...
If the shirt is build up later, it's been done by someone who know something about SA uniforms.

I don't like the kepi.

[MG-Freak]

A very nice set

[sgstandard]

SA Uniform

First, the KEPI:
1. The shoulder boards are pre 1939, so the kepi should have gold twist piping on the top, along with bi-color piping around the top edge of the turn-up, with 1cm silver tress (gold tress if prior to 1934) below the bi-color piping. (In 1938 this bi-color piping was replaced by silver or gold).
2. The pink Gruppe color looks like either cotton, or faded wool. If it's cotton, that's very unusual. If it's wool, the fading doesn't look right. It's possible the kepi was original, and possibly modified, but there's not much I like about it, and if it is original, I don't believe it ever came with the shirt.

As for the BROWNSHIRT:
1. It appears that there may have been another device on the right tab at one time. You can see the outline, but it's very possible the device is loose and has moved. I'd like to see the thread that was used to attach the tabs. Original German thread has a unique appearance that resembles a rope with distinct, well defined twists, unlike most modern thread which has a cheap, loose-twisted appearance. Of course, some outfits are put together post-war using correct period thread. The metal numerals on just the one tab are correct, and indicate he was the commanding officer of the Standarte. Technically, the numerals were supposed to be 7mm tall and 4mm wide.
2. The collar piping is different from the usual twist cord (like on the tabs).
This may just be a period variation.

From what I see, the shirt looks correct, though there's always the possibility ANY uniform was pieced together post war. The odd collar piping leads me to believe this may be a possibility, because, if you were piecing together an SA officer's shirt, the hardest thing would be finding the original gold twist collar piping. That doesn't mean it's not authentic, just an observation.

[Bob Coleman]

This Form Of Kepi Only Exists With Austrian Units. They Are Poorly Constructed And Retain The Incorrect Eagle. I Have Seen Example Os This Form Of Kepi Since The Late 1950's. I Have Also Bought Several From Vets. Supposedly, These Kepis Were Quickly And Cheaply Manufactured For Wear During The Anchluss. I Have Also Heard This Story From A Knowledgable Austrian Dealer. Most Are Found In Unworn Condition. I Believe Them To Be Period But I Would Not Have One In My Collection Due To The Quality. Regardless, A Standartenfuhrer Would Not Wear Such A Hat.

[laurens]

This Form Of Kepi Only Exists With Austrian Units. They Are Poorly Constructed And Retain The Incorrect Eagle. I Have Seen Example Os This Form Of Kepi Since The Late 1950's. I Have Also Bought Several From Vets. Supposedly, These Kepis Were Quickly And Cheaply Manufactured For Wear During The Anchluss. I Have Also Heard This Story From A Knowledgable Austrian Dealer. Most Are Found In Unworn Condition. I Believe Them To Be Period But I Would Not Have One In My Collection Due To The Quality. Regardless, A Standartenfuhrer Would Not Wear Such A Hat.

Hi Bob, your story sounds reasonable.