Guess the Visor

[stonemint]

I posted this visor on the Cloth Headgear forum in detail. See if you political junkies can guess the rank/assignment before looking at it on the other forum.

(I credit Bob C and Otto Spronk for helping me with this one).

[NickG]

HJ Leadership school staff member perhaps?

[Paul70]

Red band was only used by Gebietfuhrer, White was Bannfuhrer, Yellow Oberbannfuhrer as it matched the shoulder strap. 1933-1936

Eagle is the 1936 plus variety.

White piping?????????????? NPEA?????

Paul

[stonemint]

Good guesses, all--according to Bob C/Otto Spronk, it is for a Bannfuhrer of the RJF-Stab. The Officer upgraded it with an M-37 Eagle, prior to the final style coming out in 1939 (the ones with the velvet bands--the final style for this rank is on the right):

[Garry M.]

Red band was only used by Gebietfuhrer, White was Bannfuhrer, Yellow Oberbannfuhrer as it matched the shoulder strap. 1933-1936

Eagle is the 1936 plus variety.

White piping?????????????? NPEA?????

Paul

Hi,

'Die Uniformen der HJ' published 1933 shows that there were 5 posts/ranks that wore visors with red bands. Stonemint's visor is shown though, as he says, as being for a 'Bannführer im Stabe'.

[Paul70]

Schmusi,

Your absolutly right, I stand corrected! I had never noticed the staff had a different color combo than regular.

Paul

[Garry M.]

Hi Paul,

no probs mate, here is a wee scan of the page in question:

[stonemint]

Schmusi--I was reading your post, and was going to pm you begging you to post a pic of the regs--and I scroll down further, and there it is--man, you just made my day!

[stonemint]

The only question I have is that, after looking at the scan of "Die Uniformen der HJ", would my hat be for a Bannfuhrer on the RJF-Stab, or one on the staff of a Gebiete?

[Bob Coleman]

The only question I have is that, after looking at the scan of "Die Uniformen der HJ", would my hat be for a Bannfuhrer on the RJF-Stab, or one on the staff of a Gebiete?

STONEMINT-
I BELIEVE YOUR HAT IS FOR A BANNFUHRER ATTACHED TO THE STAFF OF A GEBIETE. I BELIEVE R J F WOULD WEAR CARMINE.

[Garry M.]

Schmusi--I was reading your post, and was going to pm you begging you to post a pic of the regs--and I scroll down further, and there it is--man, you just made my day!

No probs Actually you can get a copy of that book here for 20 Euros:

http://deutsches-wehrkundearchiv.de/2.WKBroschur.htm

Much cheaper than this one! :

http://www.usmbooks.com/uniformen_der_braunhemden.html

[Garry M.]

STONEMINT-
I BELIEVE YOUR HAT IS FOR A BANNFUHRER ATTACHED TO THE STAFF OF A GEBIETE. I BELIEVE R J F WOULD WEAR CARMINE.

Yes, that certainly seems to be what the diagram is saying too as only one of the visors is specifically attributed to an RJF appointment.

[stonemint]

Schmusi--can you post a scan of page 37 of your book?

[Garry M.]

There you go:

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[Garry M.]

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