SA Uniform Grouping - A little out of my league here...

[ltgsanchez]

I'm reposting this from a different forum:

Ok, I'm a little out of my legaue here. I collect mostly US militaria but come across a good deal of german militaria to know what stuff is real, fake, and a general idea on prices. I cam across this complete SA uniform set... Kepi, belt, uniform, trousers, tie, medals, boots, the works. I was wondering if anyone had any information they can share with me. I'm not sure on the badges, what the collar and shoulder insignia mean, etc. This is not a grouping I would like to keep so is there any way of knowing an approx. value for the grouping or a price guide out there. I appreciate it, and I hope you enjoy the photos. - Lt. Sanchez.

[John Huff]

This is a very nice find! I can give an approximate value for the grouping since I recently bought (or sold) some similar items.
1) Nice "been there" brownshirt with last pattern insignia (I would let others identify the group, standarte and rank) -- $450 to $550. Add another $150 to $200 for the SA sports badge, the Party membership pin, and the ribbon bar. The wool armband looks nice is a bonus over a cotton armband.

2) I can't tell if it has an original tie from the pictures. If it is, add about $100 to $150

3) Textbook wartime issue breeches - $300 to $350

4) belt and cross strap (the gold color of the cross strap clip does not seem to match the button color of the uniform and cap but that is plausible) $250 to $400

5) Kepi -- This is the hard part for me. I'm not sure the color matches the uniform insignia color from the pictures. I have paid as little as $500 and as much as $1000 for these. The eidelweiss (if original to it) would certainly be a nice bonus). Many dealers are asking much more. Let's say $800

6) RZM dagger and hanger in that condition -- $550 ????

7) The boots appear to be wehrmacht cavarly issue. Are there any numbers stamped into the leather? I just bought a nice set for $225 but I feel that was a steal. I would say these are easily worth $500

Hope this helps. A very nice grouping and instant mannequin!

[luftwaffe blue]

The buttons are incorrect and should not be pebbled but smooth, the armband is also incorrect, this should be a cotton type and not wool type which was worn on overcoats etc, there is no piping to the shirt also, the collars i think are Oberhein though in my humble opinion this is a post war put together regarding the shirt..Sean

[John Huff]

The buttons are incorrect and should not be pebbled but smooth, the armband is also incorrect, this should be a cotton type and not wool type which was worn on overcoats etc, there is no piping to the shirt also, the collars i think are Oberhein though in my humble opinion this is a post war put together regarding the shirt..Sean

Those are war-time (last pattern) collar tabs with the piping around the edges. At the same time the collar piping was removed or omitted by regulation. I agree about the armband. But SA uniforms were so individualized that the buttons and wool armband are entirely plausible. IMO

[luftwaffe blue]

Those are war-time (last pattern) collar tabs with the piping around the edges. At the same time the collar piping was removed or omitted by regulation. I agree about the armband. But SA uniforms were so individualized that the buttons and wool armband are entirely plausible. IMO

IMO implausable, we look for signs of authenticity, pebbled buttons?, woolen armband? we will beg to differ on that one..can we have some scans of both shoulder boards?

[ltgsanchez]

Thanks for the price guidelines and information from everyone. I attached more photos. I will be posting this on the e-stand here.

[luftwaffe blue]

The board is correct, is there one either side?

[Bob Coleman]

I Agree With Luftwaffe Blue That The Shirt Is Rebuilt With Original Insignia. The Collar Tabs Appear To Be Machine Sewn, Which Is Not A Practice Utilized By The S A. Insignia Was Hand Tacked On For Removal For Cleanings Was Also The Shoulder Strap And The Armband. I Also Concur That The Cotton Armband Is Appropriate For This Shirt, Not The Wool Model.

[mseagle]

Luftwaffe blue, war time brownshirts only had one shoulderboard and no piping on the collar. War time tunics had two shoulderboards.

Mark

[Erich B.]

The shirt is post war put together IMO but with original parts except for the buttons, which look military vs. political. The shirt and tie are not SA but are for a Political Leader, as both are the wrong color for SA and the construction is different than that of the SA. The tabs are Oberrhein, while the kepi is for Hochland, again both appear original but it's not an original ensemble.
Erich

[Pascal Bernhard]

I can only agree with my collegues...the service shirt and tie are for Pol. Leiter.

The kepi is the heavy wool type, SA "Hochland" group (light blue toped), NICE ORIGINAL , but usualy worn with the 4 pockets tunic (I don't like it's "M29" front eagle...)

The "31/99" tabs are of the 31th Sturm (location unknown) of the 99th Standarte of the town Saverne => Zabern in Alsace (SA group Oberrhein).


....if someone had a pair (or only the one) of "99" for sale....let me know....thank's a lot !

[luftwaffe blue]

Luftwaffe blue, war time brownshirts only had one shoulderboard and no piping on the collar. War time tunics had two shoulderboards.

Mark

If that is so i stand corrected, David Fullers SA insignia book states "In late 1940 the regulations were changed and shoulder boards were worn on both shoulders until the end of the war"

[Bob Coleman]

If that is so i stand corrected, David Fullers SA insignia book states "In late 1940 the regulations were changed and shoulder boards were worn on both shoulders until the end of the war"

I THINK DAVE WAS REFERRING TO THE TUNIC AND NOT THE BROWNSHIRT.