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**Leroy** · 09-17-2007, 06:54 AM

There are several different styles of Holters labels and I believe that this one is an accepted one.
Bob's point is good and should be followed up, which can't be done just from photos. I will say that the diplo uniforms I have seen have all been in really good condition, maybe due to the pampered lifestyle these people had.

**Mark Costa** · 09-17-2007, 07:31 AM

Per my previous post I would like to add that Reichsministers Franz Seldte and Franz Gurtner also wore the three up and one down diamond variety of sleeve insignia. As stated before this uniform is a REICHSMINISTERS uniform and NOT a departmental chiefs.

Mark

**DeMil** · 09-17-2007, 01:09 PM

Hi and thanks for your opinions.

I have the possibility to buy this uniform and I am doing some research around it. It came from Germany for many years ago and I am trying to get in contact with one of the owners of it.
Some of the pictures posted are very dark and I have not posted any good pictures of the liner. The tailor's label is nice. I did not find any tailor's label in the trousers when I examined the complete uniform.
This tunic is not in "new" condition. It has the "old" smell and there are some stains under the arms on the liner inside and it shows some small use around the neck and at the end of the arms inside.
When I exanimed the uniform I did not find any negative things about it. I got the rigth "feeling". The quality is superb.
Here I post a picture of the visor belonging to the tunic.
What can I say - BEAUTIFUL

Regards
Derek

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**stonemint** · 09-17-2007, 04:08 PM

Derek--this is my area of expertise--visor hats--can you post a picture of the inside, and with the sweatband up so that I can see the lining?

**Bob Coleman** · 09-17-2007, 04:57 PM

Derek-
I Agree That Detailed Photos Of The Visor Cap May Go A Long Way In Telling Part Of The Story Of This Uniform. When Furnished With Original Insignia, Uniforms Are Very Hard To Judge Just From Photos. Visor Caps Are A Bit Easier.

**DeMil** · 09-17-2007, 05:18 PM

Hi.

Here is the only 2 photos I have of the visor inside.
I hope it can tell you more about this group !

Regards
Derek

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**DeMil** · 09-17-2007, 05:19 PM

tailor's label.

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**DeMil** · 09-17-2007, 05:21 PM

Adler closeup.

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**Arran** · 09-17-2007, 11:11 PM

Hmmm...something seems "off", although the cuff insignia sure looks original. Does the tunic have the bevo type Holters label as well, or just the printed pocket label? That would be a red flag...also, I don't like the label in the cap, and think its a repro...

**DeMil** · 09-18-2007, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by Arran View Post

Hmmm...something seems "off", although the cuff insignia sure looks original. Does the tunic have the bevo type Holters label as well, or just the printed pocket label? That would be a red flag...also, I don't like the label in the cap, and think its a repro...

Hi Arran.

The tunic has the printed pocket label.
You meen the label in the cap is a repro. ?
What about the cap itself ?

Derek

**Bob Coleman** · 09-18-2007, 10:16 AM

More Can Be Determined With Shots Of The Sweatband Raised And A Look At The Manner In Which The Sweatband And The Lining Is Installed. I, Like Aaran, Have Doubts On The Hat Label Which Cast Doubt On The Whole Piece. This Grouping Has Yet To Give Me Any Zone Of Comfort.
As To The Tunic Label I Do Not Wish To Speak For Aaran. I Believe He Was Referring To The Silk Or Faux Silk Tailor Label Found On Finely Tailored Tunics On The Back Of The Lining.

**Arran** · 09-18-2007, 11:40 AM

Indeed Bob is correct. The printed pocket label is one of two labels I would expect to find in the tunic, the other being the nice bevo-like label usually visible below the collar or on the lining by the interior chest pocket. The latter label would be far more difficult to obtain or re-produce correctly than the printed pocket label you show, and I find the absense of it is suspicious in this case. Labels/tags like the one in the hat can be ordered online with whatever text is desired, but the font of the lettering is "off". I think it really is possible that this is a high-end copy with only a couple of original components...

**DeMil** · 09-18-2007, 02:04 PM

Hi.

When I will visit the owner of this uniform, I will take some good pictures of the sweatband raised and I will take a picture at the manner in which the sweatband and the lining is installed.

Derek

**Bob Coleman** · 09-18-2007, 11:26 PM

I Have Great Doubts About This Grouping Based On What I Can See In The Images. Years Ago, A Uniform Was Presented To Me For Sale That Supposedly Belonged To General Hans Guderian. The Uniform And The Hat Were Of The Highest Quality. It Also Bore The Same Holters Label In The Pocket. The Problem The Faker Made Was The Uniform Would Have Fit A Man In Excess Of Six Feet. Guderian Was Much Shorter. The Uniform And The Hat Were Both Very High Quality Fakes. A Type Not Sold Publicly But In Private. This Uniform Grouping Is Very Reminiscent Of That One. I Would Suggest You Proceed With The Utmost Care.

**bbeck** · 08-07-2008, 04:28 PM

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