Emil Maurice Grouping

[TxGauleiter]

are we to conclude that the current owners, upon discovering that this grouping has plenty of problems, have decided to pass it off to someone else (as real), thereby making it someone else's problem??

[Jeff Clark]

of course, would you expect anything less

[David Fettes]

Well at least two bits of the "group" are now somebody elses problem as the Nürnberg cigar box and the EM marked cigar box have both been sold.

[Jo Rivett]

Bob le Bouton

I am having second thoughts about the Maurice Membership book now.... i have had a really good look at it, which i suppose i should have done in the beginning, and it`s pretty clear to me now that it is in fact, the Josef Mengele Passport, just with a different cover, a few extra stamps and photo!!

[alexanderautogr]

I write this at the behest of about twenty customers and WAF members who are following this thread...

Both Bob Hritz and Bob Coleman are great assets to this forum, the hobby, and the industry as a whole. I commend them for their dedication.

That being said, in my many years in the trade I've seen lots "salted" to improve their value. I personally was stung, nationally, when I promoted a Reagan letter cleverly forged and placed in a box lot to bring up the value. As my old mentor, Charles Hamilton said (paraphrased): "How unexciting this hobby would be if it wasn't for the forgeries and frauds we sometimes encounter. They give 'flavor' to collecting..."

Looking at them briefly, the two Hitler inscribed items and the page signed by Hess, von Epp, etc. are not items I'd want to include in one of my auctions. Meantime, many other items, and even the inscribed photo (though very blurry), could be entirely legitimate. In this case, one bad apple may not spoil the whole bunch.

It's never good when friends get stung. I hope this was all SOLD to Hendershott for a huge profit - he deserves it.

[David Fettes]

The problem is it was not just one bad apple, the GPB was messed with, the watch is a joke, the Geli handwriting was bad, the painting is suspect and the two Hitler inscribed items and the page signed by Hess, von Epp, etc are iffy to say the least. The Strosstroop BO is an odd duck which I believe is also bad.

That does not leave much in the group that could have been good.

Gary Hendershott has said he will send me some photos of the cigar cases hallmarks to see if they are good as well. I will wait and see if he does but I doubt that he will.

I too will commend Bob Coleman for his dedication in the industry as a whole, as the items he has shown in the past have been superb.
However he knew that things were not as they seemed as early as 2007 (see page 1, doubts raised) and again in 2010.

Now if he has sold it all to Hendershott for a huge profit, well that doesnt fit right in my book, as selling faked / messed with items as 100% original is wrong.

So does the next customer deserve to be ripped off? No way.

Last but not least, if all these items came from the family, I will eat my hat.


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[alexanderautogr]

David, my remark re: Hendershott was certainly not made out of love for him...my best hope is that he paid a fortune for the stuff and that he'll never be able to sell it.

I didn't study the Geli piece, nor did I look at any of the other items. Of course, if you are correct, that many bad items in one lot does NOT reflect well on the entire parcel. When I buy bad material, I destroy it to keep it off the market. Someone knowingly selling bad material just to "get out of it" does everyone a disservice.

If you buy and sell, why not just destroy this crap and take a write-off? Film or photo the event, put it on YouTube, expose the sellers if it was a criminal deal and become a hero.

[David Fettes]

I see what you mean now.

Gary Hendershott has sold at least two of the items (the cigar boxes).

[alexanderautogr]

I'm looking at the catalog now...

IMO only:

Geli handwriting looks like she had a stroke. Hitler signatures and von Epp piece not good, and actually quite poor. The presentation signed photo, if dated 1926, bears a ca. mid-1930s Hitler signature which does not resemble his hand of the Twenties. The painting doesn't approximate Hitler's style - it's far more cartoonish than what Hitler did, and he would not present something that looked so much like a sketch.

[Jo Rivett]

Maurice is back - and he wants your money!

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/orders...adge-343006-3/

More fables, more BS.... The guy is a bully, nothing more nothing less.
He`ll get his, one way or the other, they all do.

[David Fettes]

Geli handwriting looks like she had a stroke.

Iam not liking this signature of Otto von Oelhafen either.

[BrianK]

Well, at least a couple experts agree with me on the autographs.

[Jo Rivett]

Now if he has sold it all to Hendershott.......

Cant be, site says:

All items are on consignment thus after 7 Days are sold "As Is" with no right of return and/or refund for any reason.

Service he provides:
• Authenticity: is it genuine
• Provenance: establish the previous collection history
• Fair Market Value: what is it worth in the current marketplace?
• Research & Analysis: discover & analyze its historical significance
• Inventory Organization: chronological organization in Excel spreadsheets
• Communication Buyer/Seller: open communication between both parties
• Delivery Fully Insured: oversee and cross check inventory and expedite for safe delivery
• Fees/Commissions : all of the above for a 10% agents fee

The red one should have you in fits. Super "Research & Analysis" that is Discover and analyze its historical significance - i.e: make up a load of BS and then repeat it over and over.

His fee is 10%, so it`s evident that "someone", is trying to coin it large here.

But why the silence? Angst maybe. The same angst that Hitler had when he was choosing that watch for his Jewish Ghostwriter Gal-sharing watch making best friend.

[alexanderautogr]

Cant be, site says:
Service he provides:
• Authenticity: is it genuine
• Provenance: establish the previous collection history
• Fair Market Value: what is it worth in the current marketplace?
• Research & Analysis: discover & analyze its historical significance
• Inventory Organization: chronological organization in Excel spreadsheets
• Communication Buyer/Seller: open communication between both parties
• Delivery Fully Insured: oversee and cross check inventory and expedite for safe delivery
• Fees/Commissions : all of the above for a 10% agents fee

The red one should have you in fits. Super "Research & Analysis" that is Discover and analyze its historical significance - i.e: make up a load of BS and then repeat it over and over.

His fee is 10%, so it`s evident that "someone", is trying to coin it large here.

But why the silence? Angst maybe. The same angst that Hitler had when he was choosing that watch for his Jewish Ghostwriter Gal-sharing watch making best friend.

From what I HEAR, the grouping was sold prior to landing in Hwndershott's hands. Any event, I stopped believing anything he had to say years ago.

[Jo Rivett]

From what I HEAR, the grouping was sold prior to landing in Hwndershott's hands. Any event, I stopped believing anything he had to say years ago.

Sold before? The Maurice precious? Gone? The greatest lot to grace any forum, sold in silence, to a no-name-brand? Heavens above, why? Why were the multitude of blind-praisers on this thread, as well as the War Relics Forum thread not interested in acquiring at least one piece from the lot?

Seems very strange indeed. The greatest "stuff" has been shown and kicked about forums for years, friends of his shrieking about how grand the stuff is, over and over and over - and over! yet a no-name-brand gets it all?

It`s all way above my station i guess