EVa Braun dinner fork for review

[STLMatt]

Hello all
I want to dig into the topic of EB cutlery since it seems to be a minefield full of fakes.
I did my homework before purchasing this piece, went for one that was from the “Mark Griffith collection” and was considered original, from a supposed “expert” in cutlery.
After receiving it, I put it under a loupe, and can see where the monogram was engraved over all of the scratches on the piece.
From all I’ve heard, that is the first thing you check since anyone can buy old German silverware off of eBay, and take it to a jeweler to be engraved.
Long story short, seller guaranteed it 100%
So I was refunded.
But his argument was that they “are hand made, and some imperfections do exist”
I say it’s a real silver spoon, with post war applied monogram.
I just want to get the forums general opinion on this topic
But I still say it’s a fake sold by a con man
Opinions????

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

the question is : in which location and when will this jewelry be used ?

Eva Braun was living with Hitler in various location, and before that she probably didn't had the money (or the interest) to have her silverware marked...

To me, this jewelry couldn't exist at all.

See You

Vince

[Berghof]

Matt - Good thought process with respect to the scratches.

I looked through Griffith's books and didn't see that pattern. The only thing with the scratches, who knows when/where/how the scratches came about? Factory? Engraver? Some average Joe's dinner table? Some forger in Poland? Regardless, not your issue now. That said, That is a very common pattern that can be found anywhere and I think you made the right choice by returning it. If it had rock solid provenance, that's a different story.



.

[Jeff V]

Hi,

the question is : in which location and when will this jewelry be used ?

Eva Braun was living with Hitler in various location, and before that she probably didn't had the money (or the interest) to have her silverware marked...

To me, this jewelry couldn't exist at all.

See You

Vince

I have to agree with Vince. To me, this silverware is a fantasy piece. I think you did good to return it for a refund.

[STLMatt]

Matt - Good thought process with respect to the scratches.

I looked through Griffith's books and didn't see that pattern. The only thing with the scratches, who knows when/where/how the scratches came about? Factory? Engraver? Some average Joe's dinner table? Some forger in Poland? Regardless, not your issue now. That said, That is a very common pattern that can be found anywhere and I think you made the right choice by returning it. If it had rock solid provenance, that's a different story.



.

I don’t have a copy of the book, but it’s funny that you say that.
I’ll show you the conversation from Messenger, where he clearly states what collection it’s from. Not even being a pattern in the book is even better, and tells me all I need to know about him.
I knew to look at it under a loupe when it arrived
And my suspicions were right.
I just others to know that this pattern is no good
So that no one gets burned
As there other pieces from this “collection” for sale else where

[Berghof]

Here are the books that I referenced.

Braun1.jpg

Here are the only two patterns illustrated in the 2nd book and the one you had isn't one of them.

Braun2.jpg
Braun3.jpg

[STLMatt]

Well
The set on the right hand side is what they were trying to mimic I assume
Thanks for those pic too

[Br. James]

I'll add to Mike's input that the third volume of Mark Griffith's "Collectors Guide" -- known as the Revised edition, which includes all of the pages in his Volumes I and II -- has nothing more to add regarding Eva Braun tableware. The thing about her tableware is is that none of it is "official" in any way. Unlike the two well-known and established patterns of Hitler's tableware -- known as the Formal (State) Service and the Informal Service -- which were designed by Prof. Gerdy Troost and produced at the cutlery firm of Peter Bruckmann & Sons, all the rest of the various "AH" initial tableware came from random supporters, just as all of the silverware bearing the Göring family crest and the unique "EB" butterfly monogram originally designed by Albert Speer came as gifts from an adoring public. So, with the Braun silverware as with the various "AH" monogrammed silver pieces, the key thing about each of those pieces is it's pedigree: Where did it come from, and who attests to that? Provenance is the major ingredient with all of those pieces, and this is because anyone back in the day, or even last week, could go out to a fine gift shop and purchase a set of solid silverware, have each piece engraved, and send it to the Berghof or to the New Reichschancellery or to the Prinzregentenstrasse apartment.

Br. James

[STLMatt]

I'll add to Mike's input that the third volume of Mark Griffith's "Collectors Guide" -- known as the Revised edition, which includes all of the pages in his Volumes I and II -- has nothing more to add regarding Eva Braun tableware. The thing about her tableware is is that none of it is "official" in any way. Unlike the two well-known and established patterns of Hitler's tableware -- known as the Formal (State) Service and the Informal Service -- which were designed by Prof. Gerdy Troost and produced at the cutlery firm of Peter Bruckmann & Sons, all the rest of the various "AH" initial tableware came from random supporters, just as all of the silverware bearing the Göring family crest and the unique "EB" butterfly monogram originally designed by Albert Speer came as gifts from an adoring public. So, with the Braun silverware as with the various "AH" monogrammed silver pieces, the key thing about each of those pieces is it's pedigree: Where did it come from, and who attests to that? Provenance is the major ingredient with all of those pieces, and this is because anyone back in the day, or even last week, could go out to a fine gift shop and purchase a set of solid silverware, have each piece engraved, and send it to the Berghof or to the New Reichschancellery or to the Prinzregentenstrasse apartment.

Br. James

Yes
I was suspicious of it to start with.
But gave it a shot when he said it came from The Griffith collection, and was guaranteed, and the fact that he was supposed to be the cutlery “go to guy”
And not having a copy of the book, I took his word for it.
But when it arrived it just seemed wrong, so I louped it
And sure enough, it was monogrammed over every scratch in it.
So I just want everyone to know through research that these are fake pieces, sold by a slimy con man.
So for me, all of these monogram etched “initialed” silver pieces are garbage, just like the Italian selling them.
Don’t be fooled
Do your research
Thanks again BR for the comment, and info