Disk Abwehr?

[Stive]

Hi all. Today saw on the known website on sale the disk Abwehr?? I even never heard and did not read that there were such disks. Guys what opinions will be?

[SiPo]

My opinion would be.....Way, Way, way overpriced.

[Gary Symonds]

My opinion would be.....Way, Way, way overpriced.

Sipo, have you ever seen one of these before?

I haven't, that's for sure.

Per Weitze, this is the second example he has seen.

The eagle and number fonts look like those on original diensmarkes, yet could this be a good fantasy?

[JoeW]

Unsure of the metal, but would seem easier to cast like some fake Kripo discs. Would like to know the size at least. Was unfamiliar with the structure and powers of officers in the Abwehr. Police Dienstmarken were authorized for agents with specific executive police powers. I do not know if the Abwehr had the same executive authority granted to its officers.

[Gary Symonds]

Unsure of the metal, but would seem easier to cast like some fake Kripo discs. Would like to know the size at least. Was unfamiliar with the structure and powers of officers in the Abwehr. Police Dienstmarken were authorized for agents with specific executive police powers. I do not know if the Abwehr had the same executive authority granted to its officers.

Joe, these were my thoughts as well.

The cops would need these when out of uniform, but why would an agent of the Intell bureau need such an ID?

Makes no sense to me.

[SiPo]

Gary,

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[JoeW]

Gary,

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Interesting. What goes around comes around. Especially with now with my memory. As a Dienstmarke-no; as a marker for moved files-no as there is not enough detail of what branch of the Abwehr. ie. Too generic.

[SiPo]

Agree.

Just missed out on the last one for sale which I felt was still a little high at €3500.

The price of €8500 is way too much to drop on a mysterious piece of unknown usage.

[Stive]

I also do not see sense available of a disk of Abwehr. Besides Abwehr was division of Wehrmacht and had to have on a disk of an eagle with the head looking to the right as on the disk GFP, but not an eagle from a disk of Gestapo and criminal police.

[JoeW]

I also do not see sense available of a disk of Abwehr. Besides Abwehr was division of Wehrmacht and had to have on a disk of an eagle with the head looking to the right as on the disk GFP, but not an eagle from a disk of Gestapo and criminal police.

That is a very good point Yury. I looked at the eagle and noticed it was almost identical to the SIPO Dienstmarken eagle. But I had forgotten what eagle's head direction changed and when. As Yury points out, why would the eagle of an OKW agency not have a Wehrmacht Adler on the supposed Dienstmarken. Especially with the suspiciously stylized font used here. Why the semi-gothic font?