Unknown Third Reich awards

[butschekantiques]

As mentioned they were found in Austria. Any similarity to Austria-Hungarian medals maybe?

[VonPeter]

As mentioned they were found in Austria. Any similarity to Austria-Hungarian medals maybe?

Question remains... Is it a original mc under there?

And if so... What does the silver lines I circled look like? Like they where added later or original lines to when the cross was made? Close ups would be nice.



/peter

[Br. James]

I think the two photos of paperwork found with the original collection where these pieces resided is probably irrelevant. The paperwork originated in Pilsen which, in TR times, was part of Reichsgau Sudetenland, and any official NSDAP awards or decorations made there would have to have carried the RZM logo and license number or an L-reference number. Since the Sudetenland came into the Reich in 1938, any war badges (such as with swords) would have come into being after that date. None of these pieces has even a maker's mark, and any badge or award prominently bearing the swastika as these pieces surely do would have come under Party authorization for design and manufacture. So, IMHO, none of these pieces could have been made during the TR era; what they may have represented in their own time -- the 1960s perhaps -- remains unknown.

As far as being produced as Gau awards for some purpose, that would have normally required that each design would have carried the name and date of the event it was created for. So no chance there, either.

Br. James

[butschekantiques]

Thanks for your comments everyone!

Here are a few more close-ups. I won´t be able to reply for the next few days from now I´m afraid.

[Matthew]

Reichsgau Sudetenland, and any official NSDAP awards or decorations made there would have to have carried the RZM logo and license number or an L-reference number.

Gau Sudetenland Ehrenzeichen was a locally produced decoration and so far none that have surfaced are maker marked or carry any L-reference number

As far as being produced as Gau awards for some purpose, that would have normally required that each design would have carried the name and date of the event it was created for.

Most Gau Honor Awards do not feature the name and date of the event you mentioned (Baden, Danzig, East Prussia, Essen, Sudetenland, Thuringen, Wartheland, Gau General).

cheers

Matt

[dragnet]

Somebody put a lot of effort designing these, lots of work for fantasy items IMO, interesting pieces.

[reichenberg]

Somebody put a lot of effort designing these, lots of work for fantasy items IMO, interesting pieces.

In my opinion we have all been rather too polite about these up until now, so I will 'publish and be damned.' These pieces are utter crap and I have no doubt that someone will pay a small fortune for them when they come up for sale having convinced themselves that they are buying previously unknown originals or 'prototypes'. Klaus, be a good fellow and drop them in the bin!

[Martyn1]

In my opinion we have all been rather too polite about these up until now, so I will 'publish and be damned.' These pieces are utter crap and I have no doubt that someone will pay a small fortune for them when they come up for sale having convinced themselves that they are buying previously unknown originals or 'prototypes'. Klaus, be a good fellow and drop them in the bin!

I have to say I am inclined to agree

[kyles bullets]

Klaus, be a good fellow and drop them in the bin!

Hopefully this wasn't made to be taken literal, as you won't believe how many good pieces in the past I have seen called bad and with new info, are now good and have been thrown away because of that. Throwing away anything unknown like this is a poor idea.

[Matthew]

a price for a good copy, I presume?

Why not let me take them out of circulation. This way no other collector will get fooled by those. I can guarantee they will not be offered again in my lifetime, if Klaus would be interested in this arrangement.
A win/win for everyone, I think?

cheers

Matt

[Martyn1]

Why not let me take them out of circulation. This way no other collector will get fooled by those. I can guarantee they will not be offered again in my lifetime, if Klaus would be interested in this arrangement.
A win/win for everyone, I think?

cheers

Matt

They are now up for auction or soon will be when the auction opens so you can bid for them

[reichenberg]

I see they have now been listed individually on Ratisbon's ready for the next auction. We will see what happens.


edit - Sorry Martyn, I didn't notice your post.

[Martyn1]

I see they have now been listed individually on Ratisbon's ready for the next auction. We will see what happens.


edit - Sorry Martyn, I didn't notice your post.

No worries

[Rick C]

As was pointed out by someone, the enameling looks pretty good and I'm not altogether sure these are overt castings. So, I wonder - what would the tooling and enameling costs be to manufacture a "run" of badges like these?

If the associated costs were, say, $500-$1000 - would they need to make a run of some few hundred to make it worthwhile to cover costs and profits? If so, where are the few hundred badges? Why don't these 'turn up' like, say a U-Boat badge with diamonds (common) where enough of them abound to A. cover the costs of manufacture and some kind of profit margin and B. one might think they would, at least be as commonly seen as the aforementioned fake diamond U-Boats? RC

[VonPeter]

So this was just another "bring attention before auction starts" -thread.

I am out...

/peter