Post your armbands!

[kyles bullets]

Now that's a good armband! Love the unique ones and you have all the history!

[Mainemilitaria]

Kyle and jouneen,
Sorry guys....but this A-SS Armband (even in a 1968 photo) is FAKE! Never made of this modern super fuzzy felt/wool nor of that construction.... they were faking this stuff in 1944.....so a old photo for 1968 means nothing.

Everything about the construction/materials is WRONG....sorry, but this isn't a variation or anything other than a "clunker"!
John G.

PS....everything else in the case (of course, can't see details on medal/badges) looks like they're "o.k.", but all "common"/beginner collector more than "vet. lot"....in my opinion, stuff.... doesn't matter, either way.

[collecter]

Here is my later version with paper label.John

[Mainemilitaria]

John,
Not very good pictures for seeing the detail, but your's looks like what "one" wants to see. Looks good.
John G.

[kyles bullets]

John (collector) your's is good IMO. John (Mainmilitaria) since it was from a very grouping I just figured it was original and didn't think about the possibility of being bad. The armband roundel sewing doesn't look good now that I'm looking at it as well...

[collecter]

Thanks,here are some more pics.Its an ok multi construction piece.

[collecter]

Even the 'join' is rough cut and stitched.

[juoneen]

Forget your theorys about ss armbands...they faked ss armbands in 44?? what kinda hooey is that? this band I got personally, and again I am stating the truth, and am not going to argue because this band is another example of misguided information by the self proclaimed, as is maine militaria, to prove he just has never seen one, and it may not be in a book. To those who want to learn, this IS an original example, and just as found... I worked all summer for 1.00 an hour that year mowing grass, then called vets known in the area, and asked if they had any German war souvenirs...this ken Mc beth was one of the soldiers that went house to house in search of weapons, and found hidden guns, swords, and all kinds of items they then piled up and bulldowzed, some he took home.... It doesn't matter to me what your opinion is, but for those who are trying to learn what I say is the truth about this armband..except for riding to the Baltimore gun show to look at stuff I could not afford, as a kid I never bought at any shows , so I did the next best thing...I went to the source, and so state her and now, this is not a reproduction, and maine militaria will all respect to you your theory is just that..and is not correct and some day you may be more open minded to want to learn and just may realize you have bolo'd.(do not believe what he says ) I believe even in photographs it is at times difficult to see what materials are used for the swastikas, and as the black bands also are different as to time manufactured, and materials used by the companys pumping these armbands out in the early period prior to 39 by seamstresses to fill demand. This provenanced band I got when I had just began driving, trumps your theory, and where you came up with your never used this or that material is just not accurate, as it is likely you are using some book that does not have every ss armband ever made in it, and could not..someone here will also some day affirm I am correct, and besides in those days I must have paid all of 5.00 for it as that was at the time a lot of money...but the stories he told about where germans rolled swords up in rugs, and hid guns and fighting knives in homes in the strangest places was facinating. His brother owned a bus line everyone used to go to ball games in washington, and such, and both he and ken are now deceased...just another example of theoretical baloney that should be thrown away because it has turned is bad, and if consumed as bad meat can be , will most certainly make you sick from not being told correctly. I would be careful to watch out dealing with anyone who thinks they know it all, and trys to trump a true provenanced story proven by the brownie 127 photos I took , long before digitals..with no substance of proof from his end , but it wouldnt matter as mr mc beth only brought home what he brought home, then when sold never even cared about the stuff, and was not a post war collector...I would expect this type must be rare, and for maine militaria, this is not for sale, this is how many dealers do their game, they pretend to know it all,discrediting an original , then want to buy or just badmouth out of jealousy or dislike of the posting individuals good intent and forthrightness...when they are the ones that are wrong...or want to score originals rare stuff for repro price then make a bundle so beware of these types , especially when they are dealers...reminds me of George Marinos...another good player in the scam world ..if he never saw it before he would dub it a fake..even when right out of the vets attic ...then pay nothing when you are heartbroken, but you just sold your vet found item for nada...as that's how the big players who are now nobodys basicly plays his game , dubbing originals you find out of the woodwork as a repro...there are those hers who know it is good without you embarrassing yourself ...newbys are advised to pay no attention to his comment of negativity.

[Mainemilitaria]

jouneen,

Nothing personal on my end.... just telling you my honest opinion based on 56 years of serious collecting and having owned many A-SS Armbands.

They've been reproducing "nazi stuff" since 1944 is 100% correct! Remember the famous 1944 Life magizine photograph of a New York Collector- he displays many reproduction German items, including Armbands.

Your "swastika" is felt/wool.....Period Armbands would NEVER have applied felt swastikas.... but YOU can believe what you want.

Before you accuse me or anyone of "ill intent", you should know what your talking about, not to mention the character of the person your accusing...I don't intend to argue either.... you're free to believe what you want... but closing you're mind won't help....
John G.
Mainemilitaria

[Runehammer]

It's Pre-RZM ...

Gentlemen,

I've been collecting since about 1963, mostly buckles, and have encountered my share of closed-minded experts. The felt-swastika SS armband is quite genuine, although it's PRE-RZM and in fact, as we know, the RZM was established for the very purpose of creating quality guidelines for material just such as this.

My passion has always been belt buckles (owner of the now-dormant german buckles dot com website). I've been fortunate enough to have found very early pre-RZM swastika buckles ... some even made from old imperial Telegraphtruppen buckles ... with BIG ugly brass swastikas crudely affixed, very much like the ones pictured in Angolia. Totally original! and if anybody has any like that, send em my way! Then there's the ultra rare SS pre-RZM buckle mfgd. by Frederick Keller / Oberstein, incorrectly attributed to O&C (cf. B-1679 GWB SS-Buckles Archive). I bought that one from the vet's family! and another identical vet-purchase like it in the 1970's ... but oh! An expert in Canada swore it was fake! Funny thing ... a major European collector offered to buy my "fake."! Now that the Frederick Keller link has been established, it's no wonder that the "experts" said it was fake but asked if it was for sale. ;-)
One thing I know that's certain ... if the guy that owns that felt-swastika-pre-RZM armband sez it's a vet bring-back, you can take it to the bank. I'll 'splain some other time.
Happy collecting!
fritz

[Runehammer]

Fakery Started B4 1944

By the way ... Hollywood began using fake Nazi paraphernalia at least 5 years prior to 1944 ... witness: Confessions of a Nazi Spy (1939) starring Edward G. Robinson, including an almost convincing Erwache standard in some shots, uniforms, etc.

[der bingle]

By the way ... Hollywood began using fake Nazi paraphernalia at least 5 years prior to 1944 ... witness: Confessions of a Nazi Spy (1939) starring Edward G. Robinson, including an almost convincing Erwache standard in some shots, uniforms, etc.

Hello Fritz,been collecting since 59. just about everyone has an ego to contend with and control, and this collecting field is no exception. those who dedicate a great part of their lives to a particular subject , or item ,and has contributed to an indespensible, widly accepted reference book should be respected. regards, Carl

[ironfist]

Waffen ss

Hi ther guys heres a very nice near mint Waffen ss service band.
. .Has that lovley silkey feel to it and is of a nice bevo stichin to it.Passed UV
Hope it goes down better than the last one.

[Mainemilitaria]

No problem with this one...regardless of ego...
John G.
Mainemilitaria

[kyles bullets]

I would say a nice minty one as well!