Deutsche Bergwacht

[MJC]

I've been offered this pin and I was wondering the opinions of this particular item, and Deutsche Bergwacht items and the organization in general. From what I understand, it was part of the DAV. All information is appreciated.

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

[JoeW]

I would think this is a membership pin for civilian clothes rather than a duty pin. Here are some of mine.



I am sure there are some threads on the subject in this forum.

[MJC]

Hi Joe, as always, thanks for sharing your unique collection and knowledge.

[Dave C.]

I am sure there are some threads on the subject in this forum.

There are some related threads and I thought this pin might have been posted before, although I may have confused it with saving the images from the dealers site

Excellent contribution Joe! I see staples, is there a picture? Civilian cloths or?

[PBR]

I still can't understand if the BW was linked to the DAV or to the DRK.
I personally think that an organization not linked to the DRK could not use the cross in red colour, but many things are not clear to me yet regarding this subject.

[JoeW]

T.K., there was a conflict between the DAV and the DRK concerning rescue in the mountains. There was a subsequent agreement on areas of authority. I wrote about it in one of the threads. I will see if I can find the notes in my Bergwacht files.

[albertcher]

Just briefly: There was an agreement in 1939 between the DRK and the Bergwacht to work together and use the infrastructure set up by both organizations to the best effort of all. Resources should not be wasted any longer.
DRK-members involved in the "Gebirgsunfalldienst" used to wear a badge inscribed: "Gebrigsunfalldienst" (without swastika!) (You should find some posts here on the WAF).
I assume that this badge shown below was the counterpart worn by Bergwacht members of this service.

Regards

[JoeW]

Here is the text of my explanation from this thread from 2007. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...rgwacht&page=2

"Some years back, a German author Peter Schuster wrote an article in Patzwall's magazine titled "Die Abzeichen der Bergwacht vor 1945 bis heute" that described the development of the German mountain rescue service within the German Bergwacht, a part of the Deutsches Alpine Vereine (German Alpine Union) from the early 1900s. This is the badge identified in use before 1945 is circular pinback with the obverse featuring a green cross with circle at the center with BW in silver within a circle of text in black on silver: Rettungdienst Der Deutsch. Bergwacht. From the text, Schuster indicates that in 1924 the DRK apparently tried to enter the mountain rescue "business" established by the Bergwacht in competition. The report of the 4.4.41 meeting between the DRK and the DAV (Bergwacht) seems to be the solution of the competition. The Bergwacht would remain in force but not mess with medical services and the DRK would vice-versa. So the Bergwacht continued with Gebirgsunfalldienst.

I would interpret the classes mentioned in the undated and unknwown newpaper article to result in a Medic Qualification Certificate, but like you said find no mention of a graduating badge. But doesn't the development of DRK badges have one common trait- no swaz on the Red Cross? The article states that after the war, the US forces dissolved the Bavarian DRK and reorganized it as the Bavarian Red Cross. The Bergwacht was reinstituted within the Bavarian Red Cross and their badge now used a red cross instead of green."

[JoeW]

I've been offered this pin and I was wondering the opinions of this particular item, and Deutsche Bergwacht items and the organization in general. From what I understand, it was part of the DAV. All information is appreciated.

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

Mike, the article I mentioned above describes your pin as a Zivilnadel. It is listed in Husken's book as a Ford. Mitglieder pin.

[MJC]

Joe, thanks for your help. I found this image of a nifty post-war Bergwacht wagon toy and I noticed the cross colors are the same as the wartime badge, which may bring into question the post-war Bavarian Red Cross and their now red badge. Of course, it is just a toy.

Still in the process of learning, thanks to all.

[albertcher]

Don't pay TOO much attention to the Huesken book... i just can speak for the Red Cross section (WW2): Half of them are listed wrong or not correctly.

Regards!

[Gran Sasso]

Don't pay TOO much attention to the Huesken book... i just can speak for the Red Cross section (WW2): Half of them are listed wrong or not correctly.

Regards!

This advice counts for the rest of this cataloque, too - unfortunately there is no other option so far.

[padalec]

I think this belongs here. I also photographed two, for me an unknown pin. And if by chance someone knows ... And before go elsewhere....Tnx!

[padalec]

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[blackbird939]

I think this belongs here. I also photographed two, for me an unknown pin. And if by chance someone knows ... And before go elsewhere....Tnx!

Did you ever find out if this oval badge is wartime or post war?